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Re: Flat car sides
Richard Townsend
Don, I'll be in DC next week and will check it out. Somewhere downstairs in my stash is an old Dynamodels HO scale sow with piglets. With an ear-ectomy I will have the proper material to work with. It'll be a bit fussy, but it's nice to know there's a prototype to have in mind. Thanks for your suggestion.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat car sides Actually Richard if you take a trip to the Smithsonian you can see a silk purse that Dupont
IIRC made from a sow's ear. I do not know if it was transported there in a STMFC freight car.
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Flat car sides
Greg Martin
Richard,
This article I authored was a way to use up the couple Revell/CON COR in my Jewells in the Junk Box.
Mainline Modeler - 11/1997 pp.26-29 Greg Martin makes improvements to the model to
represent the AAR 50 ton flatcar C&O #80694; with HO scale drawings (thanks Tim) The finished car is not perfect but a very good stand in for the AAR 50 ton Flat and with the help of the late Richard Hendrickson I got through it. He reminded me of the resin version he had developed under West Rails. I picked a prototype with close relative interchanges to my PRR modeling. Alas the Life Like car hit the market only months later and the Revell car was overshadowed; however the continuing ideas of these "Jewells from The Junk Box" grew, eventually evolving into SHAKE N TAKE.
I bring it often to Cocoa Beach to see who recognizes it for what it is. Regardless, it is a simple project that have some noteworthy techniques for modeling. I have the second left to do and I will, time permitting. I also have at least four Life Like cars to do as well. They'll all be a great mix for my Bowser PRR flats. They need work as well and are simple and inexpensive.
I'd love to know more about the Model Power and the Tyco (SP) cars, both stand ins, but fun projects.
BEN???
Greg Martin
Why Yes I have done some modeling...
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In a message dated 8/31/2019 3:36:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, richtownsend@... writes:
I know they are sow's ears, but I like making silk purses and am hoping for a prototype. -- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts
mike turner
To add to the list of terms, Southern Railway ordered hoppers with U.S. Gypsum 'poking platforms.'
-- Mike Turner MP-Z35
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Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts
Tony Thompson
mike turner wrote:
To add to the list of terms, Southern Railway ordered hoppers with U.S. Gypsum 'poking platforms.'All the ore cars on the Minnesota Iron Range once had these platforms, too. Workmen could poke the sticky ore and get it to fall through the bottom doors. Tony Thompson tony@...
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New York Stencil Drawings on eBay
rwitt_2000
This seller has various drawings (blueprints) for NYC stencils on eBay. Several have initial dates of 1904 with the last revision as 1940.
New listing Old Vintage 1936 NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD Blueprint Drawing - NUMBERS 4" RomanBob Witt
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Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts
mike turner
In this case, Southern used the poking platform as a brake step and as a step above the draft gear on the other end.
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On 9/1/2019 7:27 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
All the ore cars on the Minnesota Iron Range once had these platforms, too. Workmen could poke the sticky ore and get it to fall through the bottom doors.
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification
Donald B. Valentine
Hello folks, I'm trying to assist an old friend who is not computer literate but is a serious New Haven modeler. In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour intervals beginning at 5:15 PM. These were known as The Four Horsemen, the second of which left at 5:45. Officially known as The Cannonball, operating personnel refered to it as The Fish because the head end was always comprised of reefer loads of fish. My friend saw this train frequently but cannot recall who owned the majority of these reefers. He specifically recalls that many of them had truss rods, some being swaybacked, and all being very definitely yellow rather than orange. In one photo he took during these years one appears to have had a circular herald on the end to the right of the door. Tony Thompson has advised that they could not have been PFE for several reasons. I have suggested FGE or WFE, with the latter having a smaller, circular GN goat herald than was used on boxcars. I've also wondered about ART reefers but have trouble with truss rods in this periodon any of the three. These fish loads were nearly exclusively headed for New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, DC delivery. There is also the possibility that the reefers belonged to some smaller owner or lessor of such cars but have no idea of who that might have been. Does anyone have any good knowledge of the make up of this train and the equipment used? It should also be noted that there was a later train with similar cars that was not one of The four Horsemen but was commonly called the Second Fish. Any help in determining the actual car ownership would be greatly appreciated. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification
anthony wagner
I agree with your thoughts that there were probably many FGEX and WFEX cars in those trains. Both reporting marks were freely mixed by Fruit Growers and both also still had truss rod cars in service then. The New Haven was also one of the owners of the Fruit Growers consortium so that would have been a natural source of those reefers. Tony Wagner
On Monday, September 2, 2019, 8:10:31 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
Hello folks, I'm trying to assist an old friend who is not computer literate but is a serious New Haven modeler. In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour intervals beginning at 5:15 PM. These were known as The Four Horsemen, the second of which left at 5:45. Officially known as The Cannonball, operating personnel refered to it as The Fish because the head end was always comprised of reefer loads of fish. My friend saw this train frequently but cannot recall who owned the majority of these reefers. He specifically recalls that many of them had truss rods, some being swaybacked, and all being very definitely yellow rather than orange. In one photo he took during these years one appears to have had a circular herald on the end to the right of the door. Tony Thompson has advised that they could not have been PFE for several reasons. I have suggested FGE or WFE, with the latter having a smaller, circular GN goat herald than was used on boxcars. I've also wondered about ART reefers but have trouble with truss rods in this periodon any of the three. These fish loads were nearly exclusively headed for New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, DC delivery. There is also the possibility that the reefers belonged to some smaller owner or lessor of such cars but have no idea of who that might have been. Does anyone have any good knowledge of the make up of this train and the equipment used? It should also be noted that there was a later train with similar cars that was not one of The four Horsemen but was commonly called the Second Fish. Any help in determining the actual car ownership would be greatly appreciated. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Tugs on Flatcars
Andy Laurent
Gents,
I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car. I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas. Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits. https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary Cheers, Andy L Wisconsin
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For sale
Matthew Hurst
If this isn't allowed please remove
Hello all, Decided to thin the heard over the Labor Day weekend I have several items for sale if anyone is interested... Please respond off list at handbt33@... I have: 3 Alco products PRR P70 coaches & combines (partially built) ECW SL observation Undec BCW restaurant/ lounge (PRR prototype) kit Walthers PRR diner kit 2) PRR T1s (BLI #5536 super detailed and a Key imports 5500 as built unpainted) Oriental limited M1 tender painted PSC B&O Q4b painted lettered #4474 Mantua 0-6-0 Kadee 2 bay offset hopper Cambria & Indiana #647 Red caboose SP G-50-23 GS gondola composite Red caboose SP S-40-5 stock car 1952 scheme #73357 Intermountain ATSF Rr-32 reefer "Scout" straight line map #35607 Northeastern scale models Unicel box car (Partial built) Walthers /train miniature stock car kit Undec wood ends Atlas 11k tank car UTLX/anchorgas #94614 Funaro and Camerlengo C&O 70t triple rebuilt hopper kit Roundhouse pfaudler milk car Carling brewing Rapido GARX meat reefer kit Undec Also I have some buildings I have no use for 4 City classics buildings (Grant st., Penn ave., Baum blvd., East Ohio st.) Walthers the works Blast Furnace kit Just contact me OFF LIST. handbt33@... Thanks, Matthew Hurst
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Re: Looking for photos of grain being loaded/unloaded in box cars
al.kresse
Looking for post WW2 photos of grain being moved in box cars. C&O Walbridge Yard (Toledo) was still classifying ever more grain in box cars in 1962. Thanks, Al Kresse
On September 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification
On 9/2/19 9:10 AM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour intervals beginning at 5:15 PM.You might find some useful ideas in: "The great yellow fleet : a history of American railroad refrigerator cars" by John H White, San Marino, Calif. : Golden West Books, 1989. Don't have a copy at hand presently, but it's where I would look first. Cheers, / Bruce /
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification (Great Yellow Fleet)
Unfortunately, this book is flawed. The late Richard Hendrickson noted, “The first half of the book on the 19th and early 20th century development of refrigerator cars was, in fact, written entirely by Jack White, and you can take whatever he wrote on the subject to the bank. However, most of the second half of the text and photo captions was written by White's publisher and silent collaborator, Donald Duke, and there are errors of fact or interpretation on almost every page. Duke has a fine track record as a publisher but an abysmal one as a researcher…. Regrettably, you can't believe in the accuracy of anything you read in the second half of the book…” Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Tugs on Flatcars
Andy,
Awesome photo! Here are two shots from the Signal Corps Archives, formerly available through the Library of Va, showing two identical vessels on flat cars awaiting shipment at Portsmouth VA. In this case, the location of the pilot houses is covered by a "tent" of what appears to be plywood. Regards, Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Laurent via Groups.Io <andy.laurent@...>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:29 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tugs on Flatcars Gents,
I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car. I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas. Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits. https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary Cheers, Andy L Wisconsin
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Re: Tugs on Flatcars
Let's try adding the photos 😉
From: Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 4:44:32 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tugs on Flatcars Andy,
Awesome photo! Here are two shots from the Signal Corps Archives, formerly available through the Library of Va, showing two identical vessels on flat cars awaiting shipment at Portsmouth VA. In this case, the location of the pilot houses is covered by a "tent" of what appears to be plywood. Regards, Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Laurent via Groups.Io <andy.laurent@...>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:29 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tugs on Flatcars Gents,
I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car. I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas. Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits. https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary Cheers, Andy L Wisconsin
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Re: Tugs on Flatcars
Bill Welch
I did know the Army had its own Navy.
Bill Welch
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification
Bill Welch
Anthony is correct on all counts. Love to see that photo your friend took Don.
Bill Welch
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Re: Tugs on Flatcars
They had, and have, a variety of landing craft and combat engineering vessels. Separately, but don’t forget the Army Engineers with their fleet of dredges, snag boats, and support craft.
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On Sep 2, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Bruce Smith <@smithbf> wrote:
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification (Great Yellow Fleet)
Donald B. Valentine
Thanks Bruce & Bob, The Great Yellow Fleet was about the first place I looked but it didn't offer an thing of any use. The second have may not be good, Bob, but I also question the title. The Great Yellow & Orange Fleet might have been more appropriate. Even a good set of CarBuilders Cyclopedias were not much help with these cars. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Rocket Express Models Announced a new RI Stock Car
gary laakso
The kit is their number 6.1 or 6.2 and it is a model of the stock cars that the RI purchased from Ryan Car Company in 1930 in the 75000-75249 series. The announcement noted that 6.1 is with AB brakes and 6.2 with KC brakes. The prices are $65.00 each and include Tahoe Model Works trucks. Shipping is $5.00. The announcement was in the most recent issue of the Rock Island Reporter. The website has not been updated.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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