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Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 2, 2019, at 15:37, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I did know the Army had its own Navy.
MSTS Forever! A good friend, Cdr USN Ret., did his time in that service. I need to forward the railbound tugs images to him.

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Re: Rocket Express Models Announced a new RI Stock Car

Douglas Harding
 

Picked up one at Collinsville RPM last month. Looks to be a very nice kit, no flash. I believe Steve Hile assisted with some of the prototype research. I’m traveling right now, so can’t go to basement and look to verify.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 8:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rocket Express Models Announced a new RI Stock Car

 

The kit is their number 6.1 or 6.2 and it is a model of the stock cars that the RI purchased from Ryan Car Company in 1930 in the 75000-75249 series.  The announcement noted that 6.1 is with AB brakes and 6.2 with KC brakes.  The prices are $65.00 each and include Tahoe Model Works trucks.  Shipping is $5.00.  The announcement was in the most recent issue of the Rock Island Reporter.  The website has not been updated. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

When I visited the Army Transportation Museum at Ft. Eustus, Virginia about 35 years ago, one of these 45' tugs was plinthed along with some cool railroad equipment. Photo is attached.

For more about the museum, see https://transportation.army.mil/museum/index.html . There are few paragraphs about the Army's "Navy" on the site, though pretty spare.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 9/2/2019 10:29 AM, Andy Laurent via Groups.Io wrote:
Gents,

I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car.  I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas.  Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits.

https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 

from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary 

Cheers,
Andy L
Wisconsin

RPM Chicagoland

Jeremy Dummler
 

The 26th annual RPM Chicagoland event will be held October 24-26th at the Sheraton hotel in Lisle, IL.  The event will once again feature three days of clinics on a variety of model railroad topics, a display room for your models, vendors, and friends.  These events are always a chance to learn new things and share the hobby.

Registration is now open at rpmconference.com.  Hotel reservations for the RPM Chicagoland room block can also be accessed through the website as well.  Early registration ends September 22nd.  

Jeremy Dummler
RPM Chicagoland Team

Re: Rocket Express Models Announced a new RI Stock Car

Bill Welch
 

Built both of Ron's SS RI kits, 50-ft and 40-ft. Yes they are flat kits but well done w/sharp decals. I keep urging him to to do other roads but understand his commitment to RI.

Bill Welch

USATC WWII tank cars

Fred Jansz
 

In 1944, after the invasion in Normandy, France, the US brought a large amount of engines & cars to Europe. Among those many Whitecomb engines and a large amount of double dome tank cars. These engines and cars served in Holland after the war -while waiting for our own diesels & cars. I've bought a HO-scale kit of the whitecomb engine which served as power -sometimes doubled- for the oil can trains overhere. These trains were mainly made up of the USATC double dome tank cars, that were leased to various oil companies. European manufacturer Roco did a run of these years ago (pictures) Not being a tank car specialist, my question to you is; 'is there an American HO-scale alternative for these rather crude Roco cars'? (which are rare too).
Best regards from Holland, Fred Jansz

Re: Flat Car Load Placement

Fred Jansz
 

Garth, here's a pic of the lettering you refer to.
Should your decails vanish in thin air (vaporated water..), Bill Kennedy makes new WP flatcar decals, including the text on the picture.
Best regards, Fred Jansz

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Bob Webber
 

Higgins built ships for the Army in (or just outside of) New Orleans - they were large, ocean going vessels for supply. In addition, the Army had all sorts of small craft, they were the agent of control for large passenger ships, etc. At one point, the Army controlled more ships than many, many navies. This is not unlike their air component - after the USAF was created, the Army still controlled many small & cargo planes. I wonder how many people remember "The Wackiest Ship In The Army" (not the same thing, but the name is in line)

BTW - the steel for one of Higgins creations was brought from Bessemer over night (due to perceived need) - on the rear of a ....SOU passenger train.

Higgins started his boat business providing boats for oil rigs, swamp logging, and other festivities - and most of his creations, up to the Army ships & the C-46s - were delivered by STMFC to Virginia, and points west.

At 05:37 PM 9/2/2019, Bill Welch wrote:
I did know the Army had its own Navy.

Bill Welch
Bob Webber

Re: USATC WWII tank cars

Dennis Storzek
 

Nothing like them in the US. They are not two compartment cars; a standard dome of adequate capacity would not fit European clearances, so two smaller domes were used. Note only one dome has a manway and safety valves. Likely the underframes have something in common with the same builder's domestic product... anyone know who built them?

Dennis Storzek

Re: USATC WWII tank cars

Richard Townsend
 

AC&F built at least some of them. One is shown in Kaminski's AC&F book (not the tank car book). I have one of the models. I'm planning on using Archer rivets to make the car into a two-compartment car, adding Tichy manways and safety valves, and creating a new underframe from Intermountain parts.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USATC WWII tank cars

Nothing like them in the US. They are not two compartment cars; a standard dome of adequate capacity would not fit European clearances, so two smaller domes were used. Note only one dome has a manway and safety valves. Likely the underframes have something in common with the same builder's domestic product... anyone know who built them?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Edward
 

And, the US Army's 'navy' included several ferryboats in NY Harbor, to serve the First Army base on Governor's Island.
At one time, Governor's Island also had a railroad of sorts, operated by the US Army and served by car float from Brooklyn.
It was phased out after WW I.

Ed B

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 3, 2019, at 07:34, Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:

Higgins built ships for the Army in (or just outside of) New Orleans
Thank you; I’d forgotten. What I still remember is that San Francisco’s Fort Mason was the Army’s port of embarkation for the Pacific, and State Belt rails brought freight in from WP and Santa Fe car floats and from an interchange with the SP at King Street along East Street (AKA The Embarcadero) and through a tunnel under Black Point to Fort Mason and the Presidio. See Bill Kaufman’s _The State Belt_, Signature Press, for that railroad connection.

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Re: Tugs on Flatcars

spsalso
 

From David H. Grover's "U. S. Army Ships and Watercraft of World War II":

In WWII, the Army had more vessels than the Navy--about twice as many (127,793).

This included a number of stern and side-wheelers.  And some sailing ships.

It's a terrific book!


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Ken Vandevoort
 

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 03:37 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
I did know the Army had its own Navy.

Bill Welch
The Air Force also had its own Navy.  Don't know if they still do, but the boats were part of Air Force Communications Service back in the late 60's.

Ken Vandevoort

Re: For sale

Thomas Klosterman
 

Is the M1 tender a long distance one or a short one?

Re: For sale

Matthew Hurst
 

The tender is an Oriental Limitied PRR class 210f82a Welded tender with the 3 man dog house and 8 wheel trucks.  This version also has the "Trainphone" equipment on it as well.

Matthew



On September 3, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Thomas Klosterman <tom.klosterman@...> wrote:


Is the M1 tender a long distance one or a short one?

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Jim Gates
 

A fairly decent website on the Army's small tugs: http://www.usarmysttugs.com/index.html

Jim Gates

On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 1:29:56 PM CDT, Edward <edb8391@...> wrote:


And, the US Army's 'navy' included several ferryboats in NY Harbor, to serve the First Army base on Governor's Island.
At one time, Governor's Island also had a railroad of sorts, operated by the US Army and served by car float from Brooklyn.
It was phased out after WW I.

Ed B

Re: [MFCL] EJ&E Open Hopper?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The best description might be Rebuilt hopper.
 
In the 1954 ORER, EJ&E had about 1700 hoppers with identical dimensions in the series 40000 - 41699.  With a little digging and some help from Ed Hawkins I can find that
 
40000 - 40199 were built by Mt Vernon in 1937
40200 - 40799 were built by ACF in 1940
40800 - 41099 were built by Pullman Standard in 1940
41100 - 41399 were built by GATC in 1940
41400 - 41699 were built by Ralston in 1940
 
A builder's photo of 41400 side and end appears at the following interesting web site
 
 
It would appear that all of these cars could have been built to the same basic offset side and heaped end design with the hopper door spacing being of the Enterprise design, but the sides had eleven posts making them not an ARA Standard design or its derivatives.
 
At some later time, probably in the 1960's, some fraction of these cars were rebuilt with the external post sides and ends with a reduced capacity of 2140 cu ft as opposed to the 2338 original.  In a 1972 ORER there were 787 cars in this series, some with 50 ton trucks and some with 55 ton trucks.
 
Further details are left as an exercise for those interested.
 
Steve Hile



From: MFCL@groups.io [mailto:MFCL@groups.io] On Behalf Of brian_banna via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 1:23 PM
To: MFCL@groups.io
Subject: [MFCL] EJ&E Open Hopper?

Anyone have any idea what hopper this is? Who manufactured it or what its official name is?



I know it is not made in HO scale. Just curious on what to call it.

Brian

Mid-Atlantic Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet - Sep 19-22

Doug Chapman
 

The Mid-Atlantic Railroad Prototype Modelers meet will be held in Linthicum (Baltimore), Maryland on September 19-22, 2019.  Full information is available at http://www.marpm.org/


Two full days of clinics, lots of models on display, well-known vendors, operating sessions and open houses will be featured at this meet.  This is a great opportunity to share camaraderie, information and great models. You’ll enjoy this Railroad Prototype Modelers event. Hope to see you there!


Doug Chapman
MARPM Team

Latest from My Workbench - Tank Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

Nothing too exciting for experienced modelers in my latest blog post about tank cars on my Modeling the B&O Old Main Line, but I did have success removing printed numbers from Kadee tank cars and media blasting plastic trucks with baking soda. A couple of thank yous to members of this group included. A nice distraction from ballasting trackwork. Take a look...

https://bomodeling.com/blog/

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD