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LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I should have asked this years ago. 

 

I have a couple of these which are lettered CONOCO.  I would very much like to remove the lettering, but I’d also like not to lose the silver paint on the tank, because the scheme I will finish the car with is silver as well, with the same parting lines between the silver and the black frame.

 

However, I have tried everything I know has been recommended for removing lettering, short of my air eraser, to remove the lettering.  Nothing seemed to touch the lettering – or the silver paint, for that matter.

 

I’m reluctant to simply paint over the lettering, as it has some relief from the tank itself, and I’m pretty sure it would easily be visible as a “painted that over, huh?’ model.  Not the desired result.

 

Suggestions?

 

Schuyler

MDC 3-bay hopper mystery

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Everybody loves a good mystery, right?

I'm holding an old MDC rib-side 3-bay (HO) with the longitudinal ballast gates.  The crossdump version was long ago superseded by the Atlas 9-panel 3-bay (has there been anything better?), but I started this thing many years ago to make a Southern ballast hopper.  Made quite a bit of progress until I took a long look at those 9-panel sides (should be 10 on a ballast hopper) and realized I was going to have quite the problem making the eight large letters of the name SOUTHERN look right since they wouldn't be centered.  Oh well....on to the next project....

(Turns out FEC rebuilt some 9-panel crossdumps into ballast hoppers, so there is an after-the-fact sorta-prototype for this model.  But that happened long after 1960.)

(Get to the mystery, Blind Dog.)  So recently I dug it out of the heap to make it into a stand-in for another railroad that didn't exist before 1960 and pawn it off on a friend.

Looking the sides I see a little plate on the lower left side with the number 12 in raised letters. Huh?  And is this 12 on the other side?  Of course not.  It's 170.  

What the flying fudge are those supposed to mean?

And yes, they're on the crossdump version too. 


Scott Chatfield

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Tim O'Connor
 


is it a kit or RTR?

if a kit, I'd just strip the tank and repaint it. Small amounts of lettering can be
removed easily enough with various techniques, but CONOCO is a lot to remove and
even if successful the underlying paint may still reveal it as "ghost" lettering.




On 9/4/2019 11:12 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I should have asked this years ago. 

 

I have a couple of these which are lettered CONOCO.  I would very much like to remove the lettering, but I’d also like not to lose the silver paint on the tank, because the scheme I will finish the car with is silver as well, with the same parting lines between the silver and the black frame.

 

However, I have tried everything I know has been recommended for removing lettering, short of my air eraser, to remove the lettering.  Nothing seemed to touch the lettering – or the silver paint, for that matter.

 

I’m reluctant to simply paint over the lettering, as it has some relief from the tank itself, and I’m pretty sure it would easily be visible as a “painted that over, huh?’ model.  Not the desired result.

 

Suggestions?

 

Schuyler



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Bill Welch
 

Schuyler, I don't see how you can remove the lettering w/o removing the underlying silver. As Tim suggests it is in kit form, remove the paint and repaint. I have had great result removing paint on L-L kits w/91% Isopropyl Alcohol  BTW there are several L-L unassembled tank cars on eBay if you do need a kit form.

Bill Welch

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

O Fenton Wells
 

Schuyler, have you tried Scalecoat paint remover?  I use it for removing paint and stripping cars.It will take off more than the lettering.

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Just a historical note - some of the original Front Range kits were painted with
"Accupaint" (actually Fred B showed the supplier to SMP) but the pad print lettering
was done with another paint or ink. When I stripped them in Accupaint thinner (not
harmful to the plastic) the paint dropped off immediately - leaving the lettering
intact! Only with further stripping (I think Scalecoat or Chameleon paint remover) did
the lettering come off.





On 9/5/2019 6:44 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
Schuyler, I don't see how you can remove the lettering w/o removing the underlying silver. As Tim suggests it is in kit form, remove the paint and repaint. I have had great result removing paint on L-L kits w/91% Isopropyl Alcohol  BTW there are several L-L unassembled tank cars on eBay if you do need a kit form.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Crappy Job

Matt Smith
 

From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Crappy Job

Gary Roe
 

The gondola must have been loaded on that siding behind city hall.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 12:20:16 PM CDT, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:


From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Crappy Job

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:21, Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:

The gondola must have been loaded on that siding behind city hall.
Crappy job, indeed, especially if the loading or unloading happened with human muscle power.

My late Dad worked at the Woodland, Yolo County, CA Spreckels plant up though the early 1950s and I can remember the pong of the beet pulp loads which went to a nearby feed lot where steersch[0] took the place of the pulp and then went to fields as icipient fertilizer.

[0] Dad’s term of endearment for the schtuff

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Re: Crappy Job

Jim Gates
 


What did you do in the Great World War Two?

One extra point if you recognize the movie.

Jim Gates

On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 12:20:15 PM CDT, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:


From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Crappy Job

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

“Well, I shoveled s417 in Louisiana” 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Sep 5, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Jim Gates via Groups.Io <jim.gates@...> wrote:


What did you do in the Great World War Two?

One extra point if you recognize the movie.

Jim Gates
On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 12:20:15 PM CDT, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:


From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Detailing Tichy 2-Bay USRA hopper

Bill Welch
 

A few years ago the Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops built a few of the Tichy USRA 2-bay hoppers for their favorite railroads. Some purest don’t like this kit because the two middle panels are wider than the other panels (legend has it that this was a compromise to related to getting enough room for the trucks). No matter, the Boys love this kit, as it requires only a few additional details to make it appropriate for the various railroads the boys work for. The L&N and Clinchfield owned the USRA cars while the L&N, NC&StL, and Tennessee Central owned copies—in the case of the L&N they owned thousands of copies.

The Boys built this model as a NC&StL car but they never got around to giving it a coat of Oxide Red paint. Recently the Boys got very excited when they discovered a photo of one of these cars stenciled for the Tennessee Central since up close photos of these cars in TC stenciling have proved to been very elusive. The rare photo revealed that the TC and NC&StL cars are identical down to their use of Two-Level Dalman trucks. The gears starting turning and they were able to persuade a friend to do a set of decals. So the Boys are now planning to paint this car black. Before they do so they suggested I share few photos so people can what they details they added.

On the sides they added Route Card Holders on the right end on the sill plus the carved styrene from the Bolsters to thin them. The Boys did their usual manipulating to A-Line Type “A” brass sill steps to duplicate those used on the prototype. On the right side they added the Airline Pipe, Pipe Brackets, and Pipe Union.

On the ends 0.005 styrene was used to create the Mounting Bracket for the Reservoir and Bracket for the Brake Staff. An A-Line Sill Step serves as a bracket at the bottom of the Brake Shaft while a Tichy nut/bolt/washer (NBW) serves to hold the brake wheel tight on the brake shaft. For some reason the ends are devoid of NBW detail so I added Detail Associates parts above where the end grab irons are installed. In looking the photos I see I still need to add a few NBW’s for the short and long left side grabs and for the long grab on the right side of each end. The model will ride on the beautiful Tahoe Dalman trucks.

Bill Welch

Re: Detailing Tichy 2-Bay USRA hopper

Bob Webber
 

CC&O, DL&W, LV, D&H, B&O, BR&P, P&R, NYC, ERR, NYNH&H & BLE are listed on the United States Standard lettering diagram for 55-ton hopper cars dated Oct. 1919 - stenciling drawings and details are also available. For this and Gons, Boxes, Cabooses (composite and steel, etc. Brake drawings, (including one for the 100-ton gon) Ventilated Box, Auto Car - so if The Boys so chose, they can get the information.

At 03:59 PM 9/5/2019, Bill Welch wrote:

A few years ago the Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops built a few of the Tichy USRA 2-bay hoppers for their favorite railroads. Some purest don’t like this kit because the two middle panels are wider than the other panels (legend has it that this was a compromise to related to getting enough room for the trucks). No matter, the Boys love this kit, as it requires only a few additional details to make it appropriate for the various railroads the boys work for. The L&N and Clinchfield owned the USRA cars while the L&N, NC&StL, and Tennessee Central owned copies—in the case of the L&N they owned thousands of copies.

The Boys built this model as a NC&StL car but they never got around to giving it a coat of Oxide Red paint. Recently the Boys got very excited when they discovered a photo of one of these cars stenciled for the Tennessee Central since up close photos of these cars in TC stenciling have proved to been very elusive. The rare photo revealed that the TC and NC&StL cars are identical down to their use of Two-Level Dalman trucks. The gears starting turning and they were able to persuade a friend to do a set of decals. So the Boys are now planning to paint this car black. Before they do so they suggested I share few photos so people can what they details they added.

On the sides they added Route Card Holders on the right end on the sill plus the carved styrene from the Bolsters to thin them. The Boys did their usual manipulating to A-Line Type “Aâ€&#65533; brass sill steps to duplicate those used on the prototype. On the right side they added the Airline Pipe, Pipe Brackets, and Pipe Union.

On the ends 0.005 styrene was used to create the Mounting Bracket for the Reservoir and Bracket for the Brake Staff. An A-Line Sill Step serves as a bracket at the bottom of the Brake Shaft while a Tichy nut/bolt/washer (NBW) serves to hold the brake wheel tight on the brake shaft. For some reason the ends are devoid of NBW detail so I added Detail Associates parts above where the end grab irons are installed. In looking the photos I see I still need to add a few NBW’s for the short and long left side grabs and for the long grab on the right side of each end. The model will ride on the beautiful Tahoe Dalman trucks.

Bill Welch

Attachments:
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/0>_1 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper right side detail additions.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/1>_2 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper Airline details.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/2>_3 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper Sill Step.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/3>_4 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper _B_ end details.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/4>_5Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper Air Reservoir bracket.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/5>_6 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper brake shaft, brake wheel _ retainer valve details.JPG
Bob Webber

Re: Detailing Tichy 2-Bay USRA hopper

Bill Welch
 

I appreciate the info Bob but i am modeling October 1955 when the stenciling would be very different. Also for this particular design I am only focused on the "Ya'll" roads that owned them, originals and copies.

Bill Welch

Re: Crappy Job

Eric Hansmann
 

Well, it’s got to go somewhere, right? That looks like an all day job.

 

I see steam coming off of the loads in the wagon and the trucks. It’s probably keeping the workers warm on a chilly day. Doing this on a hot August day would be at the bottom of a task list.

 

Check out the little boys on the tractor.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Smith
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 12:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Crappy Job

 

From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Out of Office September 6-23

Dave Lotz
 

Hello,

I will be out of the office from September 6th until September 23rd.

For BRHS matters, please contact Tom Whitt, otherwise, I will respond to you
email when I return.

Thanks for your patience!

Dave Lotz

Re: Crappy Job

Andy Laurent
 

They are UNloading this car, by hand into the wagon and truck in the background...  The caption information notes it is a car from Chicago.  I have records of 6 gondolas of manure shipped from Union Stock Yards in Chicago to a fruit orchard near Sturgeon Bay, WI in the late 40s.  The cars were unloaded in late spring on an industry lead in downtown Sturgeon Bay on 1st Ave...and employees of the time noted that the smell was horrendous, even after the cars were unloaded.  It was a one-time shipment, similar to a two-car shipment of horses in stock cars in 1949...all were so badly injured that they had to be put down.

Yummy.

Andy L.
Wisconsin

Re: [MFCL] ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi folks,

    I'm hoping that someone on this list might have a photo of an ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer in the postwar period.
Supposedly these cars had truss rods, if one can believe the Athearn/Roundhouse model. I believe the carbodies
were yellow and the roof & ends brown. The lettering, or mostly the herald, on the Athearn/aRoundhouse model
looks a little large for the postwar period, which is chief reason a photo fr that era is sought. It is shows the roof or
"B" end so much the better.

Thanks for any help that can be found, Don Valentine

Re: Crappy Job

 

Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure? ... or ... receive?... no political comment.

Gordon Spalty... city boy...:)

Re: Crappy Job

Charles Peck
 

The why?  Those stockyards had to get rid of it somehow and it was cheap fertilizer on the farm.
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:55 PM Doc Bond <boomer1944@...> wrote:
Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure? ... or ... receive?... no political comment.

Gordon Spalty... city boy...:)