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Re: Brazelton 80+ Sensitive Drill Press and X-Y Table (for sale)

Scott
 


 Just use the "Private" button on lower right of chat box.  It only replies to sender.

Scott McDonald

Hurricane Dorina

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I would like to inform those interested in the RPM meet [ Prototype Rails ] held in Cocoa Beach Jan 9-11, that the Cocoa Beach Oceanview Hilton Hotel suffered NO damage from Hurricane Dorina’s recent visit.

 

We are, of course, in the 2019 hurricane season which won’t end until November.

 

From NOAA:

 

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): NOAA predicts a “near-normal” 2019 Atlantic hurricane season with up to 15 named storms with winds of at least 39 mph. But, of these, NOAA predicts, four to eight could turn into hurricanes of 74 mph or greater and two to four of these storms could strengthen into major Category 3, 4, or 5 storms. So "normal," doesn't exactly mean quiet.

 

We will continue to monitor the storm season and its effect on Prototype Rails. BTW, in the 20 yrs of operating the meet, we have had only one disruption caused by a hurricane and the show still went on.

 

Mike Brock

Prototype Rails and STMFC Bossman

 

 

 

 

Re: Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Eric,

In the late 19790s when I was at an inter-service school at Ft. Harrison, Indiana, I photographed a mill gondola of coal being unloaded for the base heating plant. Conrail had also provided a tracked crane with a clamshell bucket similar to the one in the Illinois photo, the whole rig mounted temporarily on a flatcar for the unloading. Sadly, I don't have the slide anymore.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 9/8/2019 1:21 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
A Lake Terminal mill gondola pressed into bulk material service. Interesting. F&C produces an HO scale resin kit for this gondola. A few lettering styles are available, including this one. 

While bulk loads in a mill gon are not typical, they have occurred. I one found a photo of a 61-foot Western Maryland mill gon loaded with coal. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:

Lime unloading from gondolas.

Another great images from the IDA Pantagraph Collection 
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/32654/rec/286

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Rapido USRA box--order deadline tomorrow

Bill Welch
 

Be aware that the TH&B cars acquired from the NYC and rebuilt in 1943 had their doors and associated hardware replaced with doors and hardware similar if not identical to those on 50-ton USRA SS cars. Not sure if Rapido cars model this change.

Bill Welch

Re: Crappy Job

Doug Polinder
 

Alex, thanks for this amazing anecdote.  I rode a Michigan Northern excursion in 1983 from Rockford to Cedar Springs.  Also rode the C&O car ferry to Kewaunee (or maybe Manitowoc? don't remember) in 1984.  What do you suppose the destination of the scrap leather was in Milwaukee?  Did the load also come via the C&O car ferry and interchange at Reed City?  Another potential routing was the Grand Trunk car ferry and then interchange at Grand Rapids to the MIGN.

The Michigan rail network has been pretty well decimated since that time.  The tracks from Grand Rapids through Rockford to Cadillac (ex GR&I, ex-PRR, ex-PC, ex-CR [?], ex-MIGN) have been gone since the mid-1980s, as have the line to Ludington, the car-ferry service, and much other C&O (ex-PM) trackage, as well as most of the Ann Arbor, etc., etc.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA

Express reefers?

Bob Werre
 

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre

Re: Express reefers?

Matthew Hurst
 

Well Bob.....

Where do you model , what do you model and when?  The answer to these questions would help in narrowing it down.

Matthew  


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 11:19 AM Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre

Re: Express reefers?

Bob Miller
 

The Santa Fe would run multiple express reefers in the Fast Mail for fresh fruit, e.g. strawberries. That would have ended in the 1960’s, maybe even the late 50’s as that traffic shifted to trucks.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

 

Well Bob.....

 

Where do you model , what do you model and when?  The answer to these questions would help in narrowing it down.

 

Matthew  

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 11:19 AM Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre

Re: Express reefers?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Werre asked:
"I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush."

The answer is yes (examination of photos PRR mail and express trains often turn up multiple Class R50B and toher express reefers), but your question casts an extremely wide net.  We need more information about your layout concept.  Main or branch?  "Too many" express reefers for originating traffic, or do you run bridge traffic, including dedicated mail and express?  What part of the year?  Remember that express reefers were used for time-critical shipments, so items such as medicine, the first harvest of higher value produce such as berries, flowers, etc..


Ben Hom

Re: Express reefers?

C J Wyatt
 

Express reefers have been known to run in freight trains, sometimes when returning empty, so my opinion is that they are fair game for STMFC. Other opinions may vary.

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, September 9, 2019, 11:19:04 AM EDT, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:


I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre

Re: Express reefers?

npin53
 
Edited

The NP ran cherry trains as a second section of the Eastbound Alaskan. A Pacific, a string of NRC express reefers, and caboose. Up to 8-9 reefers.

Re: Express reefers?

Lloyd Keyser
 

The C&NW would run solid express reefer trains as required off the UP connection in Omaha. These trains were known to run upwards of 15 to 20 cars and pulled by the big Hudson's at passenger train speed. In general they called them cherry trains. One is shown East bound on the Linn County cut off on the south side of Cedar Rapids, IA. on page 20 of Chicago and North Western In Color Volume I. After arriving in Chicago the train was immediately broken up for the eastern roads.   Lloyd Keyser


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Express reefers have been known to run in freight trains, sometimes when returning empty, so my opinion is that they are fair game for STMFC. Other opinions may vary.

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, September 9, 2019, 11:19:04 AM EDT, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:


I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre

Bondic

Jared Harper
 

Anyone tried the new glue Bondic advertised on You Tube?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Bondic

John Sykes III
 

I have.  It works well, however, the glue must be visible to the UV laser LED or it won't bond.  Also you must hold the parts in alignment while you zap it, an extra hand would be helpful, but I only have two.  If you are using a strong fluorescent light (lotsa UV), it can trigger the curing process prematurely.

-- John

Fun & games -- aim their UV laser at a white LED and it will cause the phosphors to fluoresce.

Re: Express reefers?

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes many times during harvests of ripe fruit crops. Continued into the late 1950s.


On 9/9/2019 11:21 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
Well Bob.....

Where do you model , what do you model and when?  The answer to these questions would help in narrowing it down.

Matthew  

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 11:19 AM Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Express reefers?

Dennis Storzek
 

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

      Certainly not brine (unless the veggies were frozen), but 3 to 5 percent salt would really hasten cooling, a good idea for a warm load. Once most produce shippers had their own precooking, salt addition wasn't done very often, as loads weren't usually warm on departure any more. That was the case after about 1950.

Tony Thompson



Re: Express reefers?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
I don't know if the bags are salt, nor do I know what fruits or veggies used brine, but the caption information I recorded for this image is as follows:
 
"Loading strawberries into refrigerated railroad cars Ponchatoula LA"
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Express reefers?

Richard Townsend
 

Tony got auto-corrected. He wrote “precooled “ and it was changed to “precooked “ by big brother. 


On Sep 9, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
I don't know if the bags are salt, nor do I know what fruits or veggies used brine, but the caption information I recorded for this image is as follows:
 
"Loading strawberries into refrigerated railroad cars Ponchatoula LA"
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

Tony got auto-corrected. He wrote “precooled “ and it was changed to “precooked “ by big brother. 

  Right you are, Richard, and thanks. Obviously I didn't notice. Usually I watch more carefully for that stuff!!

Tony Thompson