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Re: Qs Generated by a Shorpy Photo ...(Mixed Material Running Boards)

Bob Chaparro
 

Notice the roof on the reefer in the foreground. It appears running board repairs were done "on the cheap"
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Bill Keene
 

Back in the last century when I was constructing a mid-50s seaport layout, I painted a good number of covered hoppers to serve the cement translating facility at the port. My choice of light grays varied as to what was closest at hand. Sometimes Scalecoat. Sometimes Scalecoat II, Sometimes Folquil. The slight variety of grays when weathered were quite acceptable. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Sep 16, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@...

Re: Ratios

Armand Premo
 

To carry ratios a bit further would be the ratio of wood to steel freight cars per era one is modeling.Armand Premo

Re: Ratios

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Eric Lombard, Ray Breyer and Larry Ostesh have done a lot of research along these lines with regards to boxcars which can be found in the files section of this list.  Such as
 
 
 
 
Seek and ye shall find...
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Armand Premo
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 12:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ratios

To carry ratios a bit further would be the ratio of wood to steel freight cars per era one is modeling.Armand Premo

Re: Ratios

Brian Carlson
 

The N-G ratios are for fleets of cars they don’t get into the individual makeup of the cars within the fleet numbers.  

I touched on my approach to this aspect back when I did my presentations in 2009-11. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Sep 16, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Eric Lombard, Ray Breyer and Larry Ostesh have done a lot of research along these lines with regards to boxcars which can be found in the files section of this list.  Such as
 
 
 
 
Seek and ye shall find...
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Armand Premo
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 12:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ratios

To carry ratios a bit further would be the ratio of wood to steel freight cars per era one is modeling.Armand Premo

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Rick Jesionowski
 

I used to use Floquil Gray Primer for my covered hoppers, now I alternate between Scalecoat II UP Covered Hopper Gray and Maintenance of Way Gray.

Rick Jeswionowski

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I use Spring Mills Depot Gray from the B&O Covered hopper as my base.

Dale Florence










On Monday, September 16, 2019, 02:29:33 PM EDT, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io <dti406@...> wrote:


I used to use Floquil Gray Primer for my covered hoppers, now I alternate between Scalecoat II UP Covered Hopper Gray and Maintenance of Way Gray.

Rick Jeswionowski

Re: covered hopper grays

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 16, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Eric,
I don’t know if this will be of any help, but here goes. 

About 30 years ago I obtained permission from ACF to cut slivers from larger paint samples that are glued to the inside covers of bill of materials documents. In the mid-1990s these documents were donated to the Barriger National Railroad Library, part of the St. Louis Mercantile Library on the campus of the University of Missouri-St. Louis, where they are available for viewing. 

I lined up 17 gray paint samples that pertain to 1958 cu. ft. covered hoppers on the scanner glass & scanned using an Epson V100 scanner. The ACF lot number & railroad or company reporting marks are shown. 

While I believe the scanner has done a “credible" job, however, there are some hues that the scanner hasn’t picked up accurately. In particular lot 3376 SSW has a slight olive cast that I don’t see in the scan. The Lot 2963 BM sample appears to my eye as battleship gray, but the scan has a darker hue. I cannot explain the differences in the hues seen in the scan vs. actual. 

There are 8 more paint samples of 1958 cu. ft. cars that I don’t have in my possession, but they are in the bills of materials (the Barriger Library calls them "Lot Books"). These include lots 2430 SHPX (same as lot 2412), 2458 L&N & 2490 NC&StL (same shade of color bordering on olive), 2597 CG, 3102 DPCX, 3143 KSMX, 3302 GM&O, 3475 RI. 

A few more available paint samples include ACF triple covered hoppers lots 2833 SSW, 2841 T&P, 3193 M-I. 

That these same paint samples appear vastly different (much lighter) when taken outside & viewed in natural light, especially in bright sunlight.

Perhaps this will provide at least some idea to the relative differences of light, medium, and dark gray shades as denoted in my RP CYC Vol. 27 captions. All of this, of course, doesn’t taken into account any scale affect that will cause the color used to appear darker on a model. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: covered hopper grays

Tom Madden
 

One of my duties at the rapid prototyping (3D printing) company where I spent the last 21 years of my work life was developing pigment and dye recipes so our cast resin parts would match customers' samples. Much of our output was housings for telecommunications or computer equipment. With few exceptions the customers wanted gray, but each wanted theirs to be different from anyone else's gray. We developed over 2200 color recipes, over half of which were various shades of gray ranging from deep charcoal to off-white. The bulk were mid-range grays, many indistinguishable from each other unless compared side by side in strong lighting. And as Ed says, they looked very different depending on the lighting,and also whether they were glossy or matte.

Tom Madden

Re: covered hopper grays

James E Kubanick
 

Back in the 1960's I worked as a color matcher for a major paint supplier, and one of the colors I was asked to match was a gray for Western Maryland covered hoppers.The color standard the WM used for this was a color from the Federal Color Standards book. This was a light gray and, unfortunately I can no longer the Federal color number. .Based on this experience, I suspect that other railroads also used Federal colors as the basis for their freight car colors. So, this may be another source for matching freight car colors and olne I have not seen mentioned on this Group.

I do have a Bowser HO WM covered hopper and the color seems pretty close to the WM color standard in my memory. Also,, remember the paint vehicles used back in the 50's and 60's were not particularly light stable ( Cheap was the name of the game), and colors  often weathered rapidly once exposed to the elements.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV



On Monday, September 16, 2019, 4:09:17 PM EDT, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:


One of my duties at the rapid prototyping (3D printing) company where I spent the last 21 years of my work life was developing pigment and dye recipes so our cast resin parts would match customers' samples. Much of our output was housings for telecommunications or computer equipment. With few exceptions the customers wanted gray, but each wanted theirs to be different from anyone else's gray. We developed over 2200 color recipes, over half of which were various shades of gray ranging from deep charcoal to off-white. The bulk were mid-range grays, many indistinguishable from each other unless compared side by side in strong lighting. And as Ed says, they looked very different depending on the lighting,and also whether they were glossy or matte.

Tom Madden

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

James E Kubanick
 

I have used a gray called SP Lettering Gray, available from more thane one model paint supplier. This is a mid-tone gray that looks good under a weathering coat of cement color.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Monday, September 16, 2019, 2:51:56 PM EDT, dale florence via Groups.Io <dwwesley@...> wrote:


I use Spring Mills Depot Gray from the B&O Covered hopper as my base.

Dale Florence










On Monday, September 16, 2019, 02:29:33 PM EDT, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io <dti406@...> wrote:


I used to use Floquil Gray Primer for my covered hoppers, now I alternate between Scalecoat II UP Covered Hopper Gray and Maintenance of Way Gray.

Rick Jeswionowski

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Richard Townsend
 

If you can, get a copy of the October 1991 Railmodel Journal. The esteemed author, beginning on page 10, described mixes he developed for various prototypes. While some of the paints he used are no longer available, the colors and mixes should point down the right track.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] covered hopper grays take 2

Back in the last century when I was constructing a mid-50s seaport layout, I painted a good number of covered hoppers to serve the cement translating facility at the port. My choice of light grays varied as to what was closest at hand. Sometimes Scalecoat. Sometimes Scalecoat II, Sometimes Folquil. The slight variety of grays when weathered were quite acceptable. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Sep 16, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@...

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Eric Hansmann
 

This can be viewed online at the Train Life site.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1991_10/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] covered hopper grays take 2

 

If you can, get a copy of the October 1991 Railmodel Journal. The esteemed author, beginning on page 10, described mixes he developed for various prototypes. While some of the paints he used are no longer available, the colors and mixes should point down the right track.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] covered hopper grays take 2

Back in the last century when I was constructing a mid-50s seaport layout, I painted a good number of covered hoppers to serve the cement translating facility at the port. My choice of light grays varied as to what was closest at hand. Sometimes Scalecoat. Sometimes Scalecoat II, Sometimes Folquil. The slight variety of grays when weathered were quite acceptable. 

 

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 

 



On Sep 16, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

 

Group,

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@...

 

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Thank you to everybody for the replies.  I was not aware of the RMJ article.  Thanks also to Ed Hawkins for the scans of the actual color chips and others for their insight into the problems of the shades of gray and the difficulty into scaling them to models.

There are plenty of model paint grays and I appreciate the responses of actual uses to help narrow down the field.  Please keep them coming.

Eric Mumper

Standard Car Co.??

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
I recently read a James Six blog on weathering where he showed an example of a door and a half conversion on an Accurail SS box car.
The company he mentioned that made the add-on half door was Standard Car Co., Wells River, VT and that they were available from Walthers.
Walthers does not list this manufacturer in their current catalog so I tried to find them through a Google search but no luck. I'd like to buy some of
these doors. Does anyone in this group know if they're still in business and how to reach them? Or does another company offer this kind of half door?
Dave Lawler 

Re: Standard Car Co.??

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Lawler asked:
"I recently read a James Six blog on weathering where he showed an example of a door and a half conversion on an Accurail SS box car.
The company he mentioned that made the add-on half door was Standard Car Co., Wells River, VT and that they were available from Walthers. Walthers does not list this manufacturer in their current catalog so I tried to find them through a Google search but no luck. I'd like to buy some of these doors. Does anyone in this group know if they're still in business and how to reach them? Or does another company offer this kind of half door?"

Standard Car Co. is one of Don Valentine's brands.  He's on the list and should pipe up regarding availability.


Ben Hom

Re: Standard Car Co.??

Douglas Harding
 

Dave that would be New England Rail Service / Standard Car Co. Owner is Don Valentine, a member of this group, who just posted a few days ago. He would be your best source of information.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Lawler
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Standard Car Co.??

 

Good day all,
I recently read a James Six blog on weathering where he showed an example of a door and a half conversion on an Accurail SS box car.
The company he mentioned that made the add-on half door was Standard Car Co., Wells River, VT and that they were available from Walthers.
Walthers does not list this manufacturer in their current catalog so I tried to find them through a Google search but no luck. I'd like to buy some of
these doors. Does anyone in this group know if they're still in business and how to reach them? Or does another company offer this kind of half door?
Dave Lawler 

Re: covered hopper grays

Eric Mumper
 

Ed,

Is there a chance your samples were scanned in black and white?  This would remove the olive cast.  I am suspicious because doing image work on the scan results in all colors having the exact same amounts of red, green and blue.

Eric Mumper

N. P. Resin WWII Emergency Boxcar Kits Available Again

Bob Chaparro
 

 

Information from Chris Atkins...

I just wanted to let everyone know that thanks to Jim Ruffing and Aaron Gjermundson and others on the NPRHA Modeling Committee, the NPHRA Company Store has stock in the outside braced, War Emergency Boxcar resin kits.

The kit was developed by the NPRHA as a one-piece resin "unibody" casting following the initial flat kit patterns originally developed for Sunshine Models by Frank Hodina. These are HO-Scale kits.

This is the third run of these outstanding models and will be the last.

http://store.nprha.org/ho-scale-war-emergency-boxcar/

While the kit includes accurate Tahoe trucks, decal sheets that will cover 8 cars are available to order at http://store.nprha.org/ho-decals-for-np-war-emergency-boxcar/

Chris Atkins

NPRHA Company Store Manager

Re: N. P. Resin WWII Emergency Boxcar Kits Available Again

npin53
 

A big thank you to Frank Hodina for the use of his patterns.

Aaron Gjermundson