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Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

James SANDIFER
 

It was added for the war. It was removed when the war was over.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 9:10 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

 

Does anyone offer decals for a whole Santa Fe car that includes the "Buy War Bonds" slogan? while

anything but a Pennsy fan I have always appreciated things like that slogan on an appropriate car as

a way to help delineate the period of a model railroad more quickly than some other methods.

 

Why did the Santa Fe so quickly start removing the slogan? I doubt the Pennsy, or anyone else,

could have copyrighted such a slogan, especially during the war, so why was a decision made to

remove it?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I recall a very good multi page article on the Bx36's In either Rail Model Journal or Model Railroading back when Sunshine released their kit.  Does anyone recall the issue?

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Date: 9/19/19 1:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)


Microscale decal sheet 87-1512 for C&EI has a Buy more War Bonds slogan. But is different from the Santa Fe slogan. I have added the slogan to a Bx-36 I kitbashed using Railroad Roman lettering.  Athearn had a set of two boxcars in a special edition #2330. Of course those where regular athearn 40' boxcars. Your best bet for a Bx-36 is a sunshine kit or you could try the may articles in the model magazines. If real serious about a kitbash I have photos of Wx-36 cars in MOW service I took in Riverbank in 1972.

Al Smith 
Sonora CA
On Thursday, September 19, 2019, 07:09:47 AM PDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Does anyone offer decals for a whole Santa Fe car that includes the "Buy War Bonds" slogan? while
anything but a Pennsy fan I have always appreciated things like that slogan on an appropriate car as
a way to help delineate the period of a model railroad more quickly than some other methods.

Why did the Santa Fe so quickly start removing the slogan? I doubt the Pennsy, or anyone else,
could have copyrighted such a slogan, especially during the war, so why was a decision made to
remove it?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Is there a difference between the PRR X31  and the DT& I car?

Bill Pardie



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Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

Bruce Smith
 

Very few cars with slogans lasted more than a year or two beyond the end of the war on any railroad including the PRR. And yes, nobody owned the slogan "Buy War Bonds". It appeared on the cars of many railroads during the war, and on many other surfaces as well.

Bruce Smith


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)
 

It was added for the war. It was removed when the war was over.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 9:10 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

 

Does anyone offer decals for a whole Santa Fe car that includes the "Buy War Bonds" slogan? while

anything but a Pennsy fan I have always appreciated things like that slogan on an appropriate car as

a way to help delineate the period of a model railroad more quickly than some other methods.

 

Why did the Santa Fe so quickly start removing the slogan? I doubt the Pennsy, or anyone else,

could have copyrighted such a slogan, especially during the war, so why was a decision made to

remove it?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

YES!  Subclasses matter 😉  The DT&I cars were clones of the PRR X31B.  They looked nothing  like a PRR X31!  Well, ok, maybe they did sort of resemble them, but to those of us who care, there were clear and obvious differences. The X31B (and the DT&I cars) had the latter roof, which had a different profile, with a flat center section and which joined flush with the side walls of the car, as opposed to the slightly peaked roof and inset eaves of the X31/X31A. The end ladders were 20" wide as opposed to the earlier (X31, X31A) 16 1/4" wide ladders. The upper end grab iron was symmetric as opposed to the asymmetric drop grab iron on the X31/X31A as well.

RP Cyc 22 is an excellent reference on the PRR cars and RP Cyc 23 covers the non-PRR cars.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Round roof double door boxcar
 
Is there a difference between the PRR X31  and the DT& I car?

Bill Pardie



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RPM Chicagoland - Registration

Jeremy Dummler
 

Early Registration for the 26th annual RPM Chicagoland ends this Sunday, September 22. Now is the time to visit rpmconference.comand register for the October 24-26 event. The event will once again feature three days of clinics on a variety of model railroad topics, a display room for your models, vendors, and friends. These events are always a chance to learn new things and share the hobby. We look forward to seeing all who can join us, and to seeing your models on the display tables as well.

Thank you,
Jeremy Dummler
RPM Chicagoland Team

Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

Rick Woods
 

Here is a link to a good article on the history of WWII War Bonds (aka "Series E" bonds):
https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1682.html
War Bond sales ended when the war ended.  The final deposit into the U.S. Treasury of war bond proceeds occurred January 3, 1946.  The Series E bonds were withdrawn in 1980, replaced by today's Series EE bonds.
Fun fact:  More than 85 million Americans — half the population — purchased bonds totaling $185.7 billion.  In today's dollars that amounts to $2.44 TRILLION!  Can you imagine that happening today, even from a population that is 232% greater that of 1946?! 

--
Rick Woods
New York Central Kankakee Belt (aka "The Streator Connection")
East Troy, WI

Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

Norm Buckhart
 

Don - Protocraft has one Buy War Bonds set in HO - you may be able to cobble it into what you are trying to do. Norm Buckhart


On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:09 AM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Does anyone offer decals for a whole Santa Fe car that includes the "Buy War Bonds" slogan? while
anything but a Pennsy fan I have always appreciated things like that slogan on an appropriate car as
a way to help delineate the period of a model railroad more quickly than some other methods.

Why did the Santa Fe so quickly start removing the slogan? I doubt the Pennsy, or anyone else,
could have copyrighted such a slogan, especially during the war, so why was a decision made to
remove it?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Question for Al Brown on Southern war emergency hopper

 

Just ran across pictures of your Southern war emergency hopper from a few years ago. One picture shows a partial view of the interior. It looks like it was made up of individual boards. It looks great. How did you create that look?
Jim Moore

Offered: HO IM Northern Pacific R-40-23 steel reefer arched lettering

Andy Carlson
 


Hello-

I have a new, old stock, Intermountain HO reefer kit, factory painted in Northern Pacific arched "Northern Pacific" with "Main street of the Northwest" slogan above the monad herald. Repaint date stencilled as 9-47. NP# 91160, Intermountain # 40521-07. Though new, undisturbed new condition, this factory decorated HO kit has some light shelf dusting on the box.

Offered for $29, shipping to the US by 1st class mail included. Contact me off-list with questions at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Intermountain 33" High detail wheel set 12-packs

Andy Carlson
 


Hello-
I have 10 sets of Intermountain #40072 non-magnetic metal High Detail 33" wheel set 12 packs. List price is $18/each. Offered for $14 each 12 pack.

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. Buyer to pay shipping. Please contact me off-list @ <midcentury@...> for information.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
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Re: Question for Al Brown on Southern war emergency hopper

al_brown03
 

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the kind words! The interior planking on that car consists of styrene overlays; I *think* each overlay was a single piece of sheet, I want to say .010" thick, scored to represent the planks, and with Archer rivets added for the attachments to the side trusses. I may have construction photos at home.

AL B.

Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

Bob Chaparro
 

A close-up look (photo by Jack Delano) at the slogan on a Santa Fe boxcar.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Santa GFe "Buy War Bonds" lettering, was N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

mopacfirst
 

So now a modeler's question -- how was it painted over? Did the repainted cars have a roughly rectangular irregular blob?

After the end of this list, I have seen cars with the Chief slogan with 'All Pullman' painted out, and later some S&T cars with 'and Travel' painted out.  Seems to me that it was done without masking.

Ron Merrick

All Sold-Thanks! Intermountain 33" High detail wheel set 12-packs

Andy Carlson
 

All sold-
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA






Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Some might enjoy this image of this Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car YS&T 110.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
See also the image below, from the Republic Steel collecion, showing ERIE stock cars apparently used for loading pig iron.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:20 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Hi List Members,
 
Some might enjoy this image of this Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car YS&T 110.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

Randy Hammill
 

I have a couple of the Nickel Plate Products brass ones that I will redetail with Bowser parts. The floor casting fits nicely, and the doors are better as well.

Randy 
--

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I wish we had a little better focus on this image, but there is still a lot to be seen in this yard view. Click on image and use on-screen tools to enlarge.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Hi List Members,
 
See also the image below, from the Republic Steel collecion, showing ERIE stock cars apparently used for loading pig iron.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:20 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Hi List Members,
 
Some might enjoy this image of this Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car YS&T 110.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

Re: Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There is a second image showing this car, unusual underframe design...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 9:20 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car

Hi List Members,
 
Some might enjoy this image of this Youngstown Sheet & Tube tank car YS&T 110.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund