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Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to resemble the Lehigh Valley car?"

The Bowser model is not Class H25, but Class H21A.  I don't have an LV ORER or diagram book handy at the office, but my gut feeling is the LV car is taller, and you'd have to rework the end details as well. 

You'd probably be better off taking the sanding block to the HObbytown model if you go that route.


Ben Hom

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

ford.donald77
 

Tim
The wheel base and the side height is different.  The hoppers are orientated all facing to the center were as the H21a is a saw tooth arrangement.  the hopper doors are a corrugated style I think call Apex.  The model has a poor three bumps facing in the wrong direction to simulate this.  The hopper doors are the hardest thing to model.  I tried but was not successful. I was working with the builders photo (ACF)
Chuck 
what did you sue for hopper doors on your models?
Don Ford
Cameron MO

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 10:59:28 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts
underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to
resemble the Lehigh Valley car?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/8/2019 9:08 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Scott Seders asked:
"Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?
I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking."

Yes.  It's the ONLY starting point available in HO scale.  Make sure you don't get one of these models that was reboxed by Lionel HO - it's the same model, but will likely command a premium from the seller just because it's Lionel, even if it's a basket case.  These are easily identified by heat-stamped lettering.  Otherwise, you can still get these models at reasonable prices.


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Illinois Central R-40-10 reefer colors

Tim O'Connor
 


As Tony points out, originally received aluminum painted roofs.

Repaints received black ends and roofs and orange sides (at some point MDT & IC began using the same orange paint)

The attached photo of 50038 appears to have a combination of colors on the roof

 


On 10/8/2019 3:52 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Hi all,
purchased this smart looking IC 50039 reefer for my reefer collection.
Checked the group's archives and could find two paint suggestions:
- green ends, silver roof (Hendrickson)
- black ends black roof; w. silver over blk roof, run board still black, black stripe under roof (instead of green) (IC paint diagram)
- others suggest green ends & roof
When I look at the model Mr. Hendrickson painted, it has black ends & roof.
Which scheme is the correct one?
(if there is one...)
best regards,
Fred Jansz

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Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


We have indeed discussed the Hobbyline model in the past - it even has cutouts
underneath to clear the wheels.

Because it is such a mediocre model, I wonder if a stand-in is not a better choice?

For example, could a Bowser H25 have the ribs sanded/filed off and then re-ribbed to
resemble the Lehigh Valley car?

Tim O'Connor




On 10/8/2019 9:08 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Scott Seders asked:
"Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?
I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking."

Yes.  It's the ONLY starting point available in HO scale.  Make sure you don't get one of these models that was reboxed by Lionel HO - it's the same model, but will likely command a premium from the seller just because it's Lionel, even if it's a basket case.  These are easily identified by heat-stamped lettering.  Otherwise, you can still get these models at reasonable prices.


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: early tank car photos

San Antonio & San Francisco
 

Thanks everyone!

I posted up some of the early tank cars in an album.

I'm also posting up my ACF Type 7 Hi Walk Collection.

I do also have a bunch of ACF Type X pictures if anyone is interested.

Thanks,

Levi.


Also, I have decals I had made up for some of those, including: The Texas Company, Peerless Tank Line 1804 (Single Dome Series), Morrell Tank Line, Rocky Mountain Oil & Fuel, and The Florence Pipe & Tool Company. All HO Scale.

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Chuck Cover
 

Scott,

As Ben indicated the Hobbyline model is the best starting point. There was an article in Railroad Model Craftsman, May 2011, pp83-86, “Detailing a Lehigh Valley Hopper Car” and also an article on the Lehigh Valley #50100-50149 Series 70 Ton Covered Hopper in Anthracite Railroads Historical Society the Lehigh Valley Railroad Modeler section.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Re: Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Seders asked:
"Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?
I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking."

Yes.  It's the ONLY starting point available in HO scale.  Make sure you don't get one of these models that was reboxed by Lionel HO - it's the same model, but will likely command a premium from the seller just because it's Lionel, even if it's a basket case.  These are easily identified by heat-stamped lettering.  Otherwise, you can still get these models at reasonable prices.


Ben Hom


Lehigh Valley 4-Bay Hopper

Scott Seders
 

Is the Hobbyline model the best starting point for this LV hopper?

I wanted to be certain there isn’t a better model (injection molded plastic or resin) available that I am overlooking.

Re: New Decal Availabile

O Fenton Wells
 

Good job Ryan, the finish is excellent with the weathered look.
Fenton

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:09 PM Ryan Mendell <ryan.mendell@...> wrote:
Here is my effort in creating the 10’6 EJ&E car with 8’ door.  I kit bashed it, as I did not have one of the sunshine mini kits. There was an article a few years back in RMC on modelling this car.  It would be great a very interesting car with the new decals.

Ryan Mendell



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New Tank Car Photos in Album Section

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good Friends,

I have just added five new tank car photos to
realstmfc_AT_groups.io, "Garth Groff's Album 5, Tank Cars", found on page 9. These include an NATX twin dome, and an AC&F high-walkway Type 7 survivor.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: New Decal Availabile

Paul Doggett
 

Ryan 

That’s a great looking build and I like the weathering as well.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 8 Oct 2019, at 02:09, Ryan Mendell <ryan.mendell@...> wrote:

Here is my effort in creating the 10’6 EJ&E car with 8’ door.  I kit bashed it, as I did not have one of the sunshine mini kits. There was an article a few years back in RMC on modelling this car.  It would be great a very interesting car with the new decals.

Ryan Mendell

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Re: Illinois Central R-40-10 reefer colors

Tony Thompson
 

Depends on era. IIRC the scheme you have is the as-built scheme. Others on the list can doubtless enlarge on this.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 8, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Hi all,
purchased this smart looking IC 50039 reefer for my reefer collection.
Checked the group's archives and could find two paint suggestions:
- green ends, silver roof (Hendrickson)
- black ends black roof; w. silver over blk roof, run board still black, black stripe under roof (instead of green) (IC paint diagram)
- others suggest green ends & roof
When I look at the model Mr. Hendrickson painted, it has black ends & roof.
Which scheme is the correct one?
(if there is one...)
best regards,
Fred Jansz
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<IC50001 paint scheme.png>

Illinois Central R-40-10 reefer colors

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all,
purchased this smart looking IC 50039 reefer for my reefer collection.
Checked the group's archives and could find two paint suggestions:
- green ends, silver roof (Hendrickson)
- black ends black roof; w. silver over blk roof, run board still black, black stripe under roof (instead of green) (IC paint diagram)
- others suggest green ends & roof
When I look at the model Mr. Hendrickson painted, it has black ends & roof.
Which scheme is the correct one?
(if there is one...)
best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: early tank car photos

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Levi,
 
Welcome aboard!
 
I will be looking forward to seeing your photographs.  I’m particularly interested in early freight (and passenger) cars, especially those that could have shown up on Long Island and elsewhere in the northeast, but I anxiously await whatever you have to share.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: San Antonio & San Francisco
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early tank car photos
 
Morning Y'all,

This is my first official post here on the board. Glad to be aboard.

I have a huge library of period photos from the 1880-1915 period. Tank cars are my favorite! I have close to 5 dozen photos of old time tank cars. Many are from the 1890-1910 period. When I have a moment, I'll post up a few.

Thanks,

Levi

Re: New Decal Availabile

Tim O'Connor
 


Here is the (1950) ORER entry for the EJ&E cars

  the 60400 to 60899 were 10'6" cars
      60900 to 61399 were 10'0" cars

doors were of course all 8'0" wide




On 10/6/2019 2:36 PM, Ryan Mendell wrote:
Here is my effort in creating the 10’6 EJ&E car with 8’ door.  I kit bashed it, as I did not have one of the sunshine mini kits. There was an article a few years back in RMC on modelling this car.  It would be great a very interesting car with the new decals.

Ryan Mendell

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Re: early tank car photos

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Levi,
 
Getting to see a few of those would be a definite treat!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early tank car photos

Morning Y'all,

This is my first official post here on the board. Glad to be aboard.

I have a huge library of period photos from the 1880-1915 period. Tank cars are my favorite! I have close to 5 dozen photos of old time tank cars. Many are from the 1890-1910 period. When I have a moment, I'll post up a few.

Thanks,

Levi

Re: New Decal Availabile

Bill Welch
 

Very nice model Ryan, I really like the grime.

Bill Welch

Re: early tank car photos

San Antonio & San Francisco
 

Morning Y'all,

This is my first official post here on the board. Glad to be aboard.

I have a huge library of period photos from the 1880-1915 period. Tank cars are my favorite! I have close to 5 dozen photos of old time tank cars. Many are from the 1890-1910 period. When I have a moment, I'll post up a few.

Thanks,

Levi

Re: New Decal Availabile

Ryan Mendell
 

Here is my effort in creating the 10’6 EJ&E car with 8’ door.  I kit bashed it, as I did not have one of the sunshine mini kits. There was an article a few years back in RMC on modelling this car.  It would be great a very interesting car with the new decals.

Ryan Mendell

Re: Red Caboose ACF Box Car with 4-3-1 Ends and Riveted Sides

Tim O'Connor
 


January 2000, from Ed Hawkins to the original FC list --

  The postwar AAR 40' box cars by RC represent cars that are 10'-6" IH and come
 with R+3/4 Improved Dreadnaught End (late version with "banana taper" rib
 contour) and diagonal panel roof. RC purchased the original Front Range
 tooling from the most recent owner (Accurail) and then retooled some of
 detail parts sprues (ladders, grabs, B-end brake parts, etc.), doors, and
 sides. About the only items being used from the original tooling are the ends
 and roof. However, rather than retooling the underframe and AB brake parts,
 RC is using parts from their 1937 AAR box car. I'm sure this was done to save
 tooling cost, but this underframe is really not correct for these cars
 (particularly cars with 8' wide door opening). The prototype cars were built
 during the 1955-1961 time period. The RC models with welded side panels (8'
 door opening) have 10 panels. The original Front Range welded cars with 8'
 door had 12 panels. Prototype cars exist for both the 10-panel and 12-panel
 welded side panel configurations.  Hope this helps.

I also have this list that Dave Sieber compiled about 4 years ago

 8' door 40 foot 12 panel welded sides

   DL&W 55500-55899
   RDG 109000-109399

 8' door 40 foot 10 panel welded sides

   C&EI 3300-3359
   L&N 46000-46099
   L&N 46800-46899
   MEC 8400-8599
   MP 38875-39014
   RI 5900-5999
   RI 27200-27349
   WAB 90000-90349
   WAB 90350-90549
   WP 3421-3422

Lastly, Red Caboose made (at least) the following with 8 foot doors

   WABASH 90000 series (10p welded)
   MISSOURI PACIFIC 36000 series (10p riveted)
   ILLINOIS CENTRAL 4000 series (10p riveted)
   ERIE 84500 series (10p riveted)



On 10/7/2019 3:56 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Steve Kay asked:
"I picked up a nice kit at the Berea Train Show Saturday -- a old, undecorated Red Caboose box car.   The label says it is a 40' ACF Box Car, 4-3-1 ends, 8' door, riveted sides and standard tab side sill.   (Kit # RC-8700).   I figured I look it up in my books and magazines, pick out a scheme and have a nice addition to my roster.   (The kit cost me $7.00.)   doing some research today shows me that Reading and KCS had these and that's about it.   The car has 10-panel sides.   A few other roads had 12 panel sides, or drop sills and a lot had 6- or 7-foot doors, not 8.

Most of the info I found came from RailModel Journal in 1989-90 (the are talking about using C&BT kits to model these!)

Am I missing something, or did RC put our a rare car?:

These two Ed Hawkins spreadsheets should help out your search:


Ben Hom


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts