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Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Bob Webber
 

1916 was the beginning of the bankruptcy / reorg.   The D&RG had sent a few thousand freight cars, and had purchased more (on the Extension's behalf).  This was a combination of old and new - including some from the RGW days.  Some were convertible cars (NG/SG) - though most of those were gone.  You can imagine that building the WP took "a few" cars to haul building materials (mainly because a certain Friendly road was for some strange reason, not assisting) and spoilage. 

You take a 1900 era car - which was only 10 years old at this time - and you start hauling loads they were never designed for - some "live" from the standpoint of stays - and you end up with trucks, bolsters, draft gear, and not much else.

Note that those new cars are house cars.  Most of the D&RG freight cars were flats, convertible, gons...with a bunch of RGW boxes.   After 5+ years of hard work in very dry conditions, a lot were deemed unusable (if not unmovable).  As we all know, one of the nice things about wood vs steel is "any carpenter" can take a wood car that is DOA and bring it back to life.  During this period, there were dozens of passenger cars that had been deems scrapped - and were miraculously resurrected as the new company came to be. 

We all have seen how a reorganized company can come in and sweep with the new brush.  One of the first things they do is take an inspection trip and note all the scrap on the side of the track.  I think the CRI&P did that and got enough back (from the scrapping) to purchase more modern locomotives.  So...on both ends of the former D&RG, new companies went through and had to detail what they had and what could be repaired - and what was written off.  Note the timing - 1916.  The beginning of the Valuation surveys.  Perhaps more than any other time, this was a requirement to review every asset and determine value, viability, and future. Many freight cars that went to the Extension simply could not come back (in the state found).  Does the new company send teams to retrieve the steel and rebuild, or do they receive the benefits from loads of scrap?  The reorg also gives railroads a perfect opportunity to purchase new equipment (often as not, that's a prime reason for the reorg). If you can shove the overworked to the "other" side of the Ledger, while filling the "left" side with new cars...

The D&RG had been a cash cow for the MP & Gould.  That's why they were forced to extend to the Pacific.  Once out of the foreign control, that meant that the cash was going to home. and staying.  They  never got back to the halcyon days of pre-Extension, but they continued work through the 20s and 30s to rebuild the railroad, both in physical plant and in equipment. And that equipment still stayed close to the WP/MP.  Some locomotives were close to the WP, some were closer to the UP (the 1600s were basically a 4-12-2 with the 2 drivers and boiler removed). 

But you'd see an influx of new steel cars being used by the D&RGW in 1923 - not only because of the aforementioned, but also due to the rigors of the WWI traffic & USRA "management".


At 02:14 PM 12/2/2019, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bob Webber wrote:

1923 is the year the sparrows came back - all passenger cars purchased to modernize & equip the WP were brought back to the D&RG, WP had to purchase new cars.  The same thing happened to an extent with freight, though WP kept a lot. 

     I have always understood that most of the D&RG freight cars used by WP at its beginning were returned in 1916, when they bought 1000 new box cars of their own.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Bob Webber

Re: I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

Mont Switzer
 

Hey Greg, sign me up if not already.  See you in the sunshine.  Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Martin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:20 PM
To: shake-n-take@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

 

I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

gtws00
 

Guy,
Thanks for posting this information
George Toman

Re: 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

gtws00
 

I have attached the 2018 Chicagoland RPM Attendee-Program that includes the instructions

George Toman

Re: 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

Eric Hansmann
 

Tom,

This was also released by Resin Car Works as a mini-kit. Instructions can be found on the extras page for the kit. Scroll to the bottom for the PDF link.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On December 2, 2019 at 8:30 PM Tom Lawler < tjlawler@...> wrote:


I have a 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit (FGEX Reefer). I have no idea what happened to the instructions. Could someone send me the instructions so I could build the car.

Thank you for helping!

Tom






Re: CB&Q class FM-11 flat car 91248

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

Another fine model.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 2 Dec 2019, at 23:52, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished  another resin kit I enjoyed building, a CB&Q class FM-11 steel fish belly side flat car I numbered 91248.  It is an excellent resin kit purchased from Jerry Hamsmith at Chicagoland RPM.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

skibbs4
 

Tom-

The 2018 program that includes instructions is available here:


On the 2019 page you can access George Toman’s masterclass on building the car:


Hope this helps. 

Mike Skibbe
www.rpmconference.com


On Dec 2, 2019, at 9:31 PM, Tom Lawler <tjlawler@...> wrote:

I have a 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit (FGEX Reefer). I have no idea what happened to the instructions. Could someone send me the instructions so I could build the car.

Thank you for helping!

Tom






SNT is almost Full taking reserves

Greg Martin
 

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin

  1. Fenton Wells
  2. Monte Switzer
  3. Mike Smeltzer
  4. Ed Shoben
  5. Bruce Smith
  6. Richard Townsend
  7. Dr J Brent Greer
  8. Roger Hinman
  9. Craig Zeni
  10. Tom Sinks
  11. Mark Kapka
  12. Paul Bizier
  13. Steve Hile
  14. TJ Stranton
  15. Bill Raymond
  16. John Cantlay
  17. Bill Darnaby
  18. George Corral
  19. Steve Orth
  20. Schuyler Larrabee
  21. Jim Singer 
  22. Bill Raymond
  23. Henry Horn
  24. Tony Thompson
  25. Mike Brock




--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Photo: R-50-1 (was PFE/WP Reefer)

Tony Thompson
 

Or it’s freshly washed.
Tony Thompson 


On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:


Nice find for the pre-WWII crowd, Tim.

I don't believe the March 1941 photo date, though.  The car is freshly painted, and that is definitely NOT a 1941 lettering scheme.
The scan is too low res to read the reweigh data - bummer.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: STMFC - related clinics at Prototype Rails 2020

Mikebrock
 

Jeff,

Very nice list of clinics. How do you stand regarding projectors? I have one.

 

Mike

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 7:50 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] STMFC - related clinics at Prototype Rails 2020

 

Hi Folks,

 

               We have a number of great STMFC-related clinics that are scheduled for Prototype Rails 2020 (January 9 – 11 in Cocoa Beach, FL).

 

We have the following freight-car clinics:

Barry: Shake & Take (tba)

Brown: Building a PRR X23b Boxcar

Culotta: How to Scratchbuild Freight Cars

Dahm: Building Resin Kits & Making Masters

Funaro: Mathieson Dry Ice Cars

Hadfield: New Arrowhead freight car (tba)

Martin: Modeling the ATSF Fe-26 Boxcar

Peacock: Box Car Parts and Fittings 1920's-50's.

Propst: Building a Granger Branch Freight Car Roster

Switzer: Freight Car Projects 9: NKP

Welch: L&N House Cars 1935-55

Welch: L&N Open-Top Cars 1935-55

 

That’s TWELVE HOURS of freight car clinics!  And as a bonus, there are tons of other great clinics.

 

See our website for clinic descriptions (you may have to click “refresh” on your browser):  www.prototyperails.com .

 

See you at the Beach!

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’20

 

 

Re: I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

Tony Thompson
 

I’d like to sign up too.
Tony Thompson 


On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Greg Martin via Groups.Io <TGREGMRTN@...> wrote:


I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Keeley Journal Box Cooler

An article by Kack Burgess in Model Railroad Hobbyist, October 2016, Page 31.

To answer the question, "What is a "hot box"?", the author first delves into the design of freight car trucks, how the axle and the journal box interact, and what might cause a hot box. Also covers the Keeley (journal box cooler). Includes several prototype photos of the mentioned items.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Dennis Storzek
 

Yep. I should have counted the cross bearers... Six on these reefers vs. five for the 36' boxcars. Thanks to all who responded.

Dennis Storzek

Re: I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

You're in

Greg Martin



-----Original Message-----
From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 2, 2019 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

Please sign me up.
 
Thanks,
Bill Darnaby
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Martin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 9:20 PM
To: shake-n-take@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open
 
I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: [shake-n-take] I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Tak

Steven Orth
 

Greg,

Please count me in!   See you in Florida.

Steve Orth

On December 2, 2019 at 8:23 PM "roux_in_fl@... via Groups.Io" <roux_in_fl@...> wrote:

Please add me to the participants list.

Thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:20 PM, Greg Martin via Groups.Io
<TGREGMRTN@...> wrote:
I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin



 

Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Jack Mullen
 

Dennis,

In case it wasn't clear from Ray's description of these as "conventional MDT cars", these are nominal 40 footers.
Presumably the features matching NYC 36' boxcars are due to shared NYC/Despatch Shops heritage.

Jack Mullen

2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

Tom Lawler
 

I have a 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit (FGEX Reefer). I have no idea what happened to the instructions. Could someone send me the instructions so I could build the car.

Thank you for helping!

Tom

Re: I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

william darnaby
 

Please sign me up.

 

Thanks,

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Martin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 9:20 PM
To: shake-n-take@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

 

I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

twsicrr
 

I’d like to be included

Tom Sinks
twsgso@...

I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

Greg Martin
 

I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin