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12 Panel 40' PS-1
Nelson Moyer
Thanks for posting this photo, it’s the most extreme example of caning I’ve seen.
Nelson Moyer
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Has anyone ever made a 12 panel PS-1 kit or have suggestions on modifying a 10 panel car.
Could this be done with a decal or something similar?
Mont Switzer did a 12 panel welded car years ago in Mainline Modeler.
I would use archer panel lines today if I was doing it. But you better have ordered them last year.
Brian J. Carlson
On Mar 25, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Dave Wetterstroem <framemakers@...> wrote:
Has anyone ever made a 12 panel PS-1 kit or have suggestions on modifying a 10 panel car.
Could this be done with a decal or something similar?
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
James Brewer
As Brian noted, Mont Switzer did an article in the August 2004 issue of Mainline Modeler. He modeled at Mississippi Central PS-1 12 panel car.
Jim Brewer
Mont Switzer did a 12 panel welded car years ago in Mainline Modeler.I would use archer panel lines today if I was doing it. But you better have ordered them last year.Brian J. CarlsonOn Mar 25, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Dave Wetterstroem <framemakers@...> wrote:Has anyone ever made a 12 panel PS-1 kit or have suggestions on modifying a 10 panel car.
Could this be done with a decal or something similar?
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
Andy Carlson
A lot of this extent is from the lighting, which is directly down, making long shadows very prominent.
Photos shot either earlier or later in the day would show much less graphically.
Skilled workers can weld sheet metal carefully to avoid the heat stretched warping, but that takes more time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:57:29 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
That C&O car is a superb example of wavy car sides! Pierre Oliver has had a go at modeling this, but not to such an extent!
Tony Thompson
tony@...
Tony Thompson
tony@...
Archer weld seams, or very skilled use of a hobby knife
blade. :-)
I think this C&O car was the subject of an article in a magazine. It did not have the classic "PS-1"
underframe, but instead had a standard AAR welded underframe.
Ah... here it is --
Mainline Modeler June 1994 pp.66-69 modeling article from MCKEAN kit, builder photo #15153,
and color model photos (Greg Martin)
Of course, now you can start with the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1 model, which is better than the McKean car.
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On 3/25/2023 12:08 PM, Dave Wetterstroem wrote:
I think this C&O car was the subject of an article in a magazine. It did not have the classic "PS-1"
underframe, but instead had a standard AAR welded underframe.
Ah... here it is --
Mainline Modeler June 1994 pp.66-69 modeling article from MCKEAN kit, builder photo #15153,
and color model photos (Greg Martin)
Of course, now you can start with the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1 model, which is better than the McKean car.
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On 3/25/2023 12:08 PM, Dave Wetterstroem wrote:
Has anyone ever made a 12 panel PS-1 kit or have suggestions on modifying a 10 panel car.
Could this be done with a decal or something similar?
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
It's definitely an optical illusion -- Up close on a cloudy day, or once the car is dirty, you'd
never notice it. I have photos of the same cars that appear this way in one photo, and look
absolutely flat in another photo. Trying to model it makes your cars look like they have the
mumps.
On 3/25/2023 2:22 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
A lot of this extent is from the lighting, which is directly down, making long shadows very prominent.
Photos shot either earlier or later in the day would show much less graphically.
Skilled workers can weld sheet metal carefully to avoid the heat stretched warping, but that takes more time.
-Andy CarlsonOjai CA
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:57:29 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
That C&O car is a superb example of wavy car sides! Pierre Oliver has had a go at modeling this, but not to such an extent!
Tony Thompson
tony@...
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's definitely an optical illusion -- Up close on a cloudy day, or once the car is dirty, you'd
never notice it. I have photos of the same cars that appear this way in one photo, and look
absolutely flat in another photo. Trying to model it makes your cars look like they have the
mumps.
Tim is right. The glossy new paint magnifies how you can see the waviness in reflections. A dirty car will be far less evident. The PFE engineer I interviewed told me that when their first welded cars were made, they insisted that a few were re-done to try and eliminate the wavy look. It’s hard to do, and they then discovered that as soon as the car got dirty, it was difficult to see even if you looked.
That said, better welding technique can certainly do better than that C&O car.
It also appears in photos of some riveted side panel cars!
On 3/25/2023 2:52 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's definitely an optical illusion -- Up close on a cloudy day, or once the car is dirty, you'd
never notice it. I have photos of the same cars that appear this way in one photo, and look
absolutely flat in another photo. Trying to model it makes your cars look like they have the
mumps.
Tim is right. The glossy new paint magnifies how you can see the waviness in reflections. A dirty car will be far less evident. The PFE engineer I interviewed told me that when their first welded cars were made, they insisted that a few were re-done to try and eliminate the wavy look. It’s hard to do, and they then discovered that as soon as the car got dirty, it was difficult to see even if you looked.That said, better welding technique can certainly do better than that C&O car.
Tony Thompson
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Schuyler Larrabee
Yes, the Yarmouth car is quite successful at
depicting this effect. I'm surprised to see the
1/45 blt date. Seems early.
Schuyler
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depicting this effect. I'm surprised to see the
1/45 blt date. Seems early.
Schuyler
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<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Thompson
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That C&O car is a superb example of wavy car
sides! Pierre Oliver has had a go at modeling
this, but not to such an extent!
Tony Thompson
tony@...
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<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Thompson
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 12 Panel 40' PS-1
That C&O car is a superb example of wavy car
sides! Pierre Oliver has had a go at modeling
this, but not to such an extent!
Tony Thompson
tony@...
Schuyler Larrabee
1-48 was a guess. Fuzzy in the image, my bad interpretation. Thanks for the correction.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Wetterstroem
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Schuyler, look again, 1-48 was the built date. These cars were the first group of C&O PS1 cars & the first use of the C&O for Progress herald.
Schuyler Larrabee
Good grief, correcting my acceptance of a correction . . .
1-46 was a guess . . .
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1-48 was a guess. Fuzzy in the image, my bad interpretation. Thanks for the correction.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Wetterstroem
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Schuyler, look again, 1-48 was the built date. These cars were the first group of C&O PS1 cars & the first use of the C&O for Progress herald.