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Bob Johnson <bobjohnson@...>
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The photo of MC&CL #104 sure looks like a PRR 30' flat car. The shape of the side sills is right, as are the number and spacing of the stake pockets. The trucks also appear to be PRR Class 2E1F1, although the angled view makes it a little hard to tell. These trucks were removed from the cars by 1930. However, they were probably put into MW service, perhaps as spares in wreck trains. The 1937 date may well be correct, but not for an F23. From diagrams and side view builders' photos, it looks like the F23 body rode lower on the trucks than did the F22. The lower edge of the F23 side sill comes very close to the top of the arch bar trucks. There's a noticeable gap between the bottom of the F22 side sill and the top of the truck. The photo of MC&CL #104 shows a gap typical of an F22. Perhaps Byron can check the detail drawings of these cars to confirm this difference between F22 and F23. While all the F23 cars remained in service on the PRR into 1952, several F22 cars were dropped from the roster in the late 1930's. Many cars of that vintage were sold to railroad equipment dealers who resold them to short lines. The Pennsy probably wouldn't have sold the relatively-new cast steel trucks and substituted the old original arch bar trucks instead - perfectly usable for MW service. It would be interesting to check a few things to confirm that MC&CL #104 is a PRR car. The castings should have PRR and a pattern number (typically beginning with a V) in raised characters. Is the arch bar truck wheelbase 5'-7" (which I think is a relatively unusual size)? What is the height from the rail head to the top surface of the floor? If it's an F23, this dimension should be 3'-4 7/8". If the car passed all the other checks and this dimension is a couple of inches greater than 3'-4 7/8", then it is probably a former PRR F22 that somehow got a steel floor. Does the steel floor look like a real steel floor with a multitude of rivets, or does it look like a slab of steel put on for weight and/or to replace a rotted-out wooden floor? As you say, a lot of questions, indeed. Bob Johnson Paul Kattner wrote:
The car being stolen is somewhat of a local legend--no way of verifying its
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Paul Kattner
I host the Iowainterurbansandstreetrailways mailing list. I will ask
there and see if anyone has information on what type of deck the gun-flat has on it. In all my years of looking at it, I never noted whether or not it had a wooden deck...... Kicking myself..... Paul Kattner --- In STMFC@egroups.com, Bob Johnson <bobjohnson@a...> wrote: Paul,shape of the side sills is right, as are the number and spacing of thestake pockets. The trucks also appear to be PRR Class 2E1F1, although theThe 1937 date may well be correct, but not for an F23. From diagramsand side view builders' photos, it looks like the F23 body rode lower onthe trucks than did the F22. The lower edge of the F23 side sill comesvery close to the top of the arch bar trucks. There's a noticeable gapThe photo of MC&CL #104 shows a gap typical of an F22. Perhaps Byroncan check the detail drawings of these cars to confirm this differenceseveral F22 cars were dropped from the roster in the late 1930's. Many carsof that vintage were sold to railroad equipment dealers who resold themto short lines. The Pennsy probably wouldn't have sold therelatively-new cast steel trucks and substituted the old original arch bar trucks#104 is a PRR car. The castings should have PRR and a pattern numberbar truck wheelbase 5'-7" (which I think is a relatively unusual size)?floor? If it's an F23, this dimension should be 3'-4 7/8". If the carpassed all the other checks and this dimension is a couple of inchesgreater than 3'-4 7/8", then it is probably a former PRR F22 that somehowgot a steel floor. Does the steel floor look like a real steel floor witha multitude of rivets, or does it look like a slab of steel put on for
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