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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Dear friends,
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the Western Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars
had 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height, and Viking roofs. They were frequently pictured in Greenville's
ads in the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had? My best guess is a square-corner 5/4 Dreadnought with
a large flat panel at the top, but they could also used 5/5 ends with the last wale scrunched close to
the eave, or even some other end design. Also, does anyone know if the ends and/or roof were coated with
black car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the Western Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars
had 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height, and Viking roofs. They were frequently pictured in Greenville's
ads in the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had? My best guess is a square-corner 5/4 Dreadnought with
a large flat panel at the top, but they could also used 5/5 ends with the last wale scrunched close to
the eave, or even some other end design. Also, does anyone know if the ends and/or roof were coated with
black car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the WesternThey had a 4-3 *inverse* Buckeye end with the roof end inset a bit, as
Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars had 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height,
and Viking roofs. They were frequently pictured in Greenville's ads in
the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had?
on the C&O and PM auto cars delivered around that time.
Also, does anyone know if the ends and/or roof were coated with blackThe ends and roof were the same color as the sides. RPC#4 has a 3/4 end
car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red.
view on p.30.
David Thompson
ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
Hi Garth
There is a 3/4 photo of WM 30001 in RPC vol 4 pg 30.
The ends are an unusual style, certainly not dreadnought.
The lower part consisits of 4 "valleys", pressed below the plane of the end
of car and 3 "large hills" pressed above this plane , the upper part having
3 "valleys" and 2 "hills". Two "small hills" border the joint between the
upper and lower parts. This joint is riveted and is on the end plane of the
car.
The car ends are freight car red, the roof also appears to be freight car
red
Close inspection of the edge of the roof confirms that this is Viking
Hope this helps, and good luck scratch building that end
Ian Clasper
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There is a 3/4 photo of WM 30001 in RPC vol 4 pg 30.
The ends are an unusual style, certainly not dreadnought.
The lower part consisits of 4 "valleys", pressed below the plane of the end
of car and 3 "large hills" pressed above this plane , the upper part having
3 "valleys" and 2 "hills". Two "small hills" border the joint between the
upper and lower parts. This joint is riveted and is on the end plane of the
car.
The car ends are freight car red, the roof also appears to be freight car
red
Close inspection of the edge of the roof confirms that this is Viking
Hope this helps, and good luck scratch building that end
Ian Clasper
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From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WM auto car
Dear friends,Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the Western
had 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height, and Viking roofs. They werefrequently pictured in Greenville's
ads in the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.square-corner 5/4 Dreadnought with
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had? My best guess is a
a large flat panel at the top, but they could also used 5/5 ends with thelast wale scrunched close to
the eave, or even some other end design. Also, does anyone know if theends and/or roof were coated with
black car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Ian and friends,
Thanks to all who identified the WM auto car ends. Looks like I won't be kitbashing these cars anytime
soon.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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Thanks to all who identified the WM auto car ends. Looks like I won't be kitbashing these cars anytime
soon.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
ian clasper wrote:
Hi Garth
There is a 3/4 photo of WM 30001 in RPC vol 4 pg 30.
The ends are an unusual style, certainly not dreadnought.
The lower part consisits of 4 "valleys", pressed below the plane of the end
of car and 3 "large hills" pressed above this plane , the upper part having
3 "valleys" and 2 "hills". Two "small hills" border the joint between the
upper and lower parts. This joint is riveted and is on the end plane of the
car.
The car ends are freight car red, the roof also appears to be freight car
red
Close inspection of the edge of the roof confirms that this is Viking
Hope this helps, and good luck scratch building that end
Ian Clasper
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From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WM auto carDear friends,Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the Westernhad 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height, and Viking roofs. They werefrequently pictured in Greenville'sads in the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.square-corner 5/4 Dreadnought with
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had? My best guess is aa large flat panel at the top, but they could also used 5/5 ends with thelast wale scrunched close tothe eave, or even some other end design. Also, does anyone know if theends and/or roof were coated withblack car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red._________________________________________________________
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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Larry Smith
Didn't Sunshine do this car recently or is it another WM car?
Larry smith
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"Garth G. Groff" wrote:
Ian and friends,
Thanks to all who identified the WM auto car ends. Looks like I won't be kitbashing these cars anytime
soon.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
ian clasper wrote:
Hi Garth
There is a 3/4 photo of WM 30001 in RPC vol 4 pg 30.
The ends are an unusual style, certainly not dreadnought.
The lower part consisits of 4 "valleys", pressed below the plane of the end
of car and 3 "large hills" pressed above this plane , the upper part having
3 "valleys" and 2 "hills". Two "small hills" border the joint between the
upper and lower parts. This joint is riveted and is on the end plane of the
car.
The car ends are freight car red, the roof also appears to be freight car
red
Close inspection of the edge of the roof confirms that this is Viking
Hope this helps, and good luck scratch building that end
Ian Clasper
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From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WM auto carDear friends,Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the Westernhad 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height, and Viking roofs. They werefrequently pictured in Greenville'sads in the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.square-corner 5/4 Dreadnought with
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had? My best guess is aa large flat panel at the top, but they could also used 5/5 ends with thelast wale scrunched close tothe eave, or even some other end design. Also, does anyone know if theends and/or roof were coated withblack car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red._________________________________________________________
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Larry,
No, the Sunshine car is a 1937 car with different ends.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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No, the Sunshine car is a 1937 car with different ends.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Larry Smith wrote:
Didn't Sunshine do this car recently or is it another WM car?
Larry smith
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Thanks to all who identified the WM auto car ends. Looks like I won't be kitbashing these cars anytime
soon.
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
ian clasper wrote:
Hi Garth
There is a 3/4 photo of WM 30001 in RPC vol 4 pg 30.
The ends are an unusual style, certainly not dreadnought.
The lower part consisits of 4 "valleys", pressed below the plane of the end
of car and 3 "large hills" pressed above this plane , the upper part having
3 "valleys" and 2 "hills". Two "small hills" border the joint between the
upper and lower parts. This joint is riveted and is on the end plane of the
car.
The car ends are freight car red, the roof also appears to be freight car
red
Close inspection of the edge of the roof confirms that this is Viking
Hope this helps, and good luck scratch building that end
Ian Clasper
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From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WM auto carDear friends,Maryland, 30001-30010. These cars
In 1936 Greenville built a small lot of 40' auto cars for the Westernhad 12' doors, a 10' 4" inside height, and Viking roofs. They werefrequently pictured in Greenville'sads in the Cycs and other trade press, shown only in a side view.square-corner 5/4 Dreadnought with
Can anyone tell me what sort of end these cars had? My best guess is aa large flat panel at the top, but they could also used 5/5 ends with thelast wale scrunched close tothe eave, or even some other end design. Also, does anyone know if theends and/or roof were coated withblack car cement? Presumably the sides were freight car red._________________________________________________________
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
--- "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote:
Dreadnaught ends and the rare diamond tread running
board.
Regards,
Ted
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Larry,It was a 100 car order with Duryea underframes,
No, the Sunshine car is a 1937 car with different
ends.
Dreadnaught ends and the rare diamond tread running
board.
Regards,
Ted
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