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Tractors per Flatcar & Rates Charged?
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CBarkan@...
I agree with Mike's point on this but it raises the question of the basis for
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the charges. If the car was full was it considered a bulk shipment, and if not were they considered LCL and subject to a different freight rate? Or was there some threshold? Anybody know more about how this worked? Chris In a message dated 7/15/02 5:08:49 AM, brockm@... writes:
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Greg Martin
Mike and all,
Being in the Transloading Business in today's world I have to say I will ship anything that you want me to in your car as long as it doesn't go over gross to the car. The rate will be the same THANK YOU. $7200.00 to Nichols siding in Brooklyn, NY or $7400.00 to most spots in Florida and yes we do ship there quite often. The point is that most freight moves on a per car rate. But items like grain, coal, minerals, and bulk commodities move on a per hundred weight. I think it was this way in the 50's as well, Farm Implements likely moved just as autos and auto parts on a per car basis. So ship only four but cover your freight as we would remind you... Greg Martin |
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dehusman <dehusman@...>
--- In STMFC@y..., CBarkan@a... wrote:
I agree with Mike's point on this but it raises the question of thebasis for the charges. If the car was full was it considered a bulkshipment, and if not were they considered LCL and subject to a different freightrate? Or was there some threshold? Anybody know more about how this worked?====================== It depends on the tariff, if its a carload rate then one tractor or 6 tractors is carload. If its a rate per pound or item then there was probably a minimum weight or number of items required to get the rate. Less than that probably went at a higher rate. The maximum number was set by the capacity of the equipment. Dave H |
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lawrence Jackman <ljack70117@...>
You can be asured that the rate will be high enough that you will not
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want to ship one tractor. So if I want to ship a carload of wheat, can I ship one grain in the car? Thank you Lawrence. dehusman wrote:
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Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Larry Jackman notes:
You can be asured that the rate will be high enough that you will notI dunno about grain...or even one tractor...although there is a shot in a Pentrex Big Boy tape clearly showing one piece of farm equipment on one flat car and, of course, we have the single bull dozer on the flat car in Crossing Sherman Hill. The point is not, however, that John Dere is necessarily shipping new tractors to a distributor but, rather, a distributor...say down in Greeley, CO shipping less than 6 to Harriman, WY, and good ol' rancher Sam Morecows who only needs 4 of the damned things and you cannot drive a truck easily to Harriman in May,1953 even if you could find a truck in Chian or find Harriman for that matter since it didn't even exist until Feb, 1953. Mike Brock . |
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lawrence Jackman <ljack70117@...>
Then in that case the distributor would have to ship LCL. If he was not
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shipping a carload which the manufacture shipped to him, He is stuck with LCL. Will be down here this Friday, Saturday or Sunday????? Thank you Larry Jackman Mike Brock wrote:
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lawrence Jackman <ljack70117@...>
Then you would be foolish to ship four tractors when you can ship 10 for
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the same rate. I have seen many box car loads of home appliances move on the carload but the rate is paid to the final town and the car stooped to unload a few before it cot to the last town for a small fee. Say the car was loaded in town A and going to the distributor in town b but he knew that the dealer needed for in town C. So he orders ten shipped to C and with a stop in town B where he unloads six and sends the car on to C. Also all these cars are weighed and at leas back then they would have this on the weigh bill plus the rate. How it is done today I do not know. A car load of house hold appliances or tractors or submarine motors had to meet a minimum weight or you will find yourself in the LCL department. I never saw a way bill that did not have the weight of the load on it. And if the bill was marked "est" by the weight we had to weigh it before delivery. And before the RR would accept an estimated weight the shipper had to have an agreement with RR on the subject. Thank you Larry Jackman What is the transloading Business today? Is that about the same as a freight forwarder of my time?? Thank you tgregmrtn@... wrote:
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tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
lawrence Jackman wrote:
Not necessarily or so I would think - the shipper could always pay the minimum carload rate if the total dollars were less than what it would be for LCL. If the minimum weight of a carload for a specific commodity was 20,000 pounds, and the weight of the shipment was only 12,000 pounds, then if the LCL rate was more than 167% the Carload rate, then it pay for the shipper to "carry 8,000 pounds of air," and get the savings. Tim Gilbert |
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J. Stephen Sandifer <jssand@...>
In the early 50s it was not unusual for a box car of appliances to stop at 2-3 locations to unload part of its load. Tractors could be the same way. There may have been 8-10 when it left the plant, but possibly 4 were unloaded at dealer A and the balance 200 miles away at dealer B.
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From: lawrence Jackman To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tractors per Flatcar & Rates Charged? Then you would be foolish to ship four tractors when you can ship 10 for the same rate. I have seen many box car loads of home appliances move on the carload but the rate is paid to the final town and the car stooped to unload a few before it cot to the last town for a small fee. Say the car was loaded in town A and going to the distributor in town b but he knew that the dealer needed for in town C. So he orders ten shipped to C and with a stop in town B where he unloads six and sends the car on to C. Also all these cars are weighed and at leas back then they would have this on the weigh bill plus the rate. How it is done today I do not know. A car load of house hold appliances or tractors or submarine motors had to meet a minimum weight or you will find yourself in the LCL department. I never saw a way bill that did not have the weight of the load on it. And if the bill was marked "est" by the weight we had to weigh it before delivery. And before the RR would accept an estimated weight the shipper had to have an agreement with RR on the subject. Thank you Larry Jackman What is the transloading Business today? Is that about the same as a freight forwarder of my time?? Thank you tgregmrtn@... wrote: > > Mike and all, > > Being in the Transloading Business in today's world I have to say I will ship > anything that you want me to in your car as long as it doesn't go over gross > to the car. The rate will be the same THANK YOU. $7200.00 to Nichols siding > in Brooklyn, NY or $7400.00 to most spots in Florida and yes we do ship there > quite often. The point is that most freight moves on a per car rate. But > items like grain, coal, minerals, and bulk commodities move on a per hundred > weight. I think it was this way in the 50's as well, Farm Implements likely > moved just as autos and auto parts on a per car basis. So ship only four but > cover your freight as we would remind you... > > Greg Martin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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ian clasper <ian@...>
If you decide to model a partly unloaded flatcar, consider the following
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when building the model. Tractors were loaded in pairs, each wired to one another, so I would model a 50ft with two tractors missing. A tractor loaded by itself would have to have additonal choking added as it could no longer rely on it's sibling. The real tractors would most likely be unloaded at a loading platform, and probably would be driven off the side of the car onto the platform. The crew would only remove the choking that they needed to unload the tractors, so some of the choking would be left in place exactly were it was when the car was fully loaded. Other chokes would either be completely missing, or randomly scatted on the deck. If a crane was used, the chokes would be simply left in place on the deck and only the tie down wires would be removed. Old choking tended to be the problem of the next shipper to use the car, so should be part of the partly loaded model. Ian Clasper ----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Stephen Sandifer" <jssand@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tractors per Flatcar & Rates Charged? In the early 50s it was not unusual for a box car of appliances to stop at2-3 locations to unload part of its load. Tractors could be the same way. There may have been 8-10 when it left the plant, but possibly 4 were unloaded at dealer A and the balance 200 miles away at dealer B. 77025, 713-667-9417 Personal: http://users2.ev1.net/~jssand/index.htmwill ship > anything that you want me to in your car as long as it doesn't go overgross > to the car. The rate will be the same THANK YOU. $7200.00 to Nicholssiding > in Brooklyn, NY or $7400.00 to most spots in Florida and yes we doship there > quite often. The point is that most freight moves on a per car rate.But > items like grain, coal, minerals, and bulk commodities move on a perhundred > weight. I think it was this way in the 50's as well, Farm Implementslikely > moved just as autos and auto parts on a per car basis. So ship onlyfour but > cover your freight as we would remind you... |
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lokisgodhi <aconite@...>
J. Stephen Sandifer wrote:
"In the early 50s it was not unusual for a box car of appliances to stop at 2-3 locations to unload part of its load." What keeps a dealer from from taking more items than his order from a car? Eric |
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tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
ian clasper wrote:
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tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
ian clasper wrote:
But the Phillip Hastings' photo of the 40' Flat on the Bradford NH Local on B&M's Claremont Branch in 1951 has only three "Farmall" tractors - photos of this local was in both the March and April 2002 RMC's. I doubt that Tractors were always loaded in pairs since each of the three tractors on that flat were evenly dispersed. The consignee of the three tractors was Cressy & Williams, a Bradford NH Farm Equipment dealer - they could probably not afford to stock any more than three. Item "G" of Figure 172-B of the 3/15/1942 Loading Rules for Tractors weighing less than 5,000 pounds on Flat Cars refers to the interlocking of No. 9 Gauge Wire between tractors concluded with the following: - "When machines are located so that these items cannot be applied, use Items "F" on all wheels - Item "F" was 8 strands, 4 wrappings of No. 9 Gauge Wire attached to rear wheels and stake pockets, and to rear wheels and items "D" on inside (front?) wheels. There was no requirement that tractors be loaded only in pairs because of the last sentence in the description of Item "G." A tractor loaded by itself would have to have additonal choking addedIf the tractors on a flat had been partially off loaded previously at another dealer, why would that dealer (or someone else) rip out the load's chokings and install new ones as would appear to be the case for the three tractor load to Cressy & Williams in Bradford NH? Tim Gilbert |
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Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
--- lokisgodhi <aconite@...> wrote:
J. Stephen Sandifer wrote:These items were probably delivered to a team track where unloading could be supervised or else made available at a named point and time. Although it's possible that they could have been "live" unloaded (set out and unloaded while the crew waited), I doubt that could have been very common since it would have been expensive to have a train crew sit while somebody pulled off their lading. Ted Culotta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com |
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Schuyler G Larrabee <SGL2@...>
Eric asked:
The likelihood that the wholesaler or manufacturer would never deal with them again . . . Works. SGL |
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Roger J Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
I'm sorry, but this one is driving me nuts and might even cause me to
choke, although I'm not choking yet, and that's doubtless because it's really not worth getting all choked up over --- but still --- ....A tractor loaded by itself would have to have additional choking ... another dealer, why would that dealer (or someone else) rip outthe load's chokings ....It is "chock", "chocks", "chocked"and "chocking". A chock is a block or wedge placed under something else, such as a wheel, to keep it from moving. Also, see, "The plane's wheels were chocked and chained down". It can also mean as completely as possible such as "a report that is chock full of errors", or as close as possible as "standing chock up against the railing." Then there is completely filled, squeezed together, and jammed as "chock-a-block". But there is neither a "choke" nor any "choking" in a carload. Rant over. Roger Miener at Tacoma WA |
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