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Railroads and the Auto Industry: A Research Question.
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Shawn Beckert
Dave Nelson wrote, in part:
...CA was ranked #2 for receiving auto parts in railDave, there were two General Motors plants in Southern California that I know of: the Van Nuys plant for Chevy's and Pontiacs, and the South Gate plant for Cadillac's. The Espee Raymer Yard facility in Van Nuys was basically a staging yard for shoving cars of parts in for assembly of Camaros and Firebirds. Paging through a 1951 ORER the other night, I was made aware that while auto-parts cars might be listed as equipped for "transmission" or "axle" or "battery" loading, the ORER did not specify which *manufacturer* the parts were intended for! This makes it that much harder to determine which cars on the roster might have gone where. I did discover that the New York Central in 1951 had a TON of gondolas assigned to auto frame service, including drop-bottom GS cars, which surprised me a bit. Guess I'm in need of quite a few more photos of NYC gondolas... Shawn Beckert |
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Larry Smith
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I won't say never because that will get you in trouble, but I doubt if the NYC gons would have been used on the SSW. Larry Smith "Beckert, Shawn" wrote: Dave Nelson wrote, in part:...CA was ranked #2 for receiving auto parts in railDave, there were two General Motors plants in Southern |
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tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Larry Smith wrote:
If a consortium of roads assigned gons to haul auto parts from a specific plant, what are the chances that the shipping foreman would only load a NYC gon for a plant on the NYC, an SP gon loaded with parts for a plant on the SP, etc.. My guess would be slim because a string of gons would be set randomly, and the cars would be loaded in an order of two to Plant A, three to Plant B, etc.. The shipping foreman's job was to load cars which he did in the most convenient way possible for him. Tim Gilbert |
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GMeyer6103@...
The neon sign above the main entrance of the South Gate, General Motors plant
on Tweedy Blvd. in the 1950s said that they assembled Buicks, Oldsmobiles and Pontiac's. To the best of my knowledge, Cadillacs were not assembled there. In Interurbans Special # 16, Lines of Pacific Electric, Southern District, page 114D, there is a picture of a PE car near of the Willys Overland plant at "Edgewater" (Commerce today I believe) in 1938 on the PE, Whittier - La Habra - Yorba Linda line. I have been told that Chrysler also had an assembly plant in Commerce. It may have been the old Willys plant. Ford opened an assembly plant in Pico Rivera on the Santa Fe and closed their Wilmington plant......Gary Meyer.......Long Beach, Ca. |
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Buygone <buygone@...>
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Wrong the Van Nuys plant was built to assemble Chevy's and the South Gate was BOP (Buick, Olds & Pontiac) no Cadillac's were assembled at either plant. As a City Freight and Passenger Agent I was assigned to the South Gate plant in the 1960's. About that time all plants were converted over to assemble cars of certain body sizes, at which time Van Nuys went to the assembling the Camero-Firebird line and South Gate went to the B body assembly of Buick, Chevy, Olds and Pontiacs. All of the Cadillac's that were sold in California were assembled in Michigan, arriving here in auto cars, then the stack pac's and finally in the tri or by levels. Paul -----Original Message-----
From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:shawn.beckert@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:28 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] RE: Railroads and the Auto Industry: A Research Question. Dave Nelson wrote, in part: ...CA was ranked #2 for receiving auto parts in railDave, there were two General Motors plants in Southern California that I know of: the Van Nuys plant for Chevy's and Pontiacs, and the South Gate plant for Cadillac's. The Espee Raymer Yard facility in Van Nuys was basically a staging yard for shoving cars of parts in for assembly of Camaros and Firebirds. Paging through a 1951 ORER the other night, I was made aware that while auto-parts cars might be listed as equipped for "transmission" or "axle" or "battery" loading, the ORER did not specify which *manufacturer* the parts were intended for! This makes it that much harder to determine which cars on the roster might have gone where. I did discover that the New York Central in 1951 had a TON of gondolas assigned to auto frame service, including drop-bottom GS cars, which surprised me a bit. Guess I'm in need of quite a few more photos of NYC gondolas... Shawn Beckert To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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GMeyer6103@...
I am not aware of a Dodge-DeSoto plant in Vernon. That may have been the
Chrysler plant that I referred to as being in Commerce. It may have actually been in Vernon. |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Gary Meyer said:
I have been told that Chrysler also had an assemblyWas there not a Dodge-DeSoto plant in Vernon? Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history |
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Richard Hendrickson
Gary Meyer said:Which prompted, from Tony Thompson:I have been told that Chrysler also had an assembly Was there not a Dodge-DeSoto plant in Vernon?Must have been. The Santa Fe had a bunch of cars equipped for Dodge engine loading which came into So. Calif. on a regular basis. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Scott Pitzer
Sorry if this has been covered (the thread was going out of my interest and I
deleted a bunch of msgs unread) but I saw a plant probably in Commerce a couple of years ago; I believe it was then "Pillowtex", and somebody said it looked like it could be the old auto plant of... I don't remember what maker. FWIW. Scott Pitzer |
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