--- In STMFC@..., "Alan C. Welch" <acwelch@i...> wrote:

At 01:47 PM 12/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:

(snip) I
also want to start putting on "Little Buggers" at about .006" Those in
particular would have to be strong as they are small and one end is

free and

unsupported.

(snip)

Hi, I've been working through the archives and this message is the
second mention I've seen about the "Little Buggers." I understand the
term refers to the air release (might be an incorrect name) for the
air brake system. I'm modeling northern California in November 1941
and am just getting started in attempting to make my "stuff" replicate
the prototype as much as possible. Exactly where, for both K and AB
brakes, do these "Little Buggers" attach (house cars and flats first,
then later I'll try some more complicated underframes)? Where do they
go and do they have hangers or some other method to keep them from
getting wiped out the first time I sneeze?

TIA

Walter Clark
Riverside, California
Time stops in November 1941

Walter Clark asks:

....Exactly where, for both K and AB
brakes, do these "Little Buggers" attach (house cars and flats first,
then later I'll try some more complicated underframes)? Where do they
go and do they have hangers or some other method to keep them from
getting wiped out the first time I sneeze?

They were attached to the AB valve or (on K brakes) the triple valve and
typically extend laterally across the car from that location to the sills
on either side, where they extended through small holes in the sill flanges
or were supported by brackets just underneath the sills.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Are yo talking about the bleeder rods that connect to the bleeder value????
Thank you
Larry Jackman

wmcclark1980 wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

Walter Clark asks:

....Exactly where, for both K and AB
brakes, do these "Little Buggers" attach (house cars and flats first,
then later I'll try some more complicated underframes)? Where do they
go and do they have hangers or some other method to keep them from
getting wiped out the first time I sneeze?

They were attached to the AB valve or (on K brakes) the triple valve and
typically extend laterally across the car from that location to the

sills

on either side, where they extended through small holes in the sill

flanges

or were supported by brackets just underneath the sills.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Richard-

That's my question. I've looked at the instructions for the Tichy AB
brake and can't see those "Little Buggers" anywhere. Exactly where,
on the K system triple valve and the AB system AB valve do these
bleeder valves attach? If you could e-mail me a couple of diagrams of
the triple valve and AB valve that show exactly where on these two
units the "Little Buggers" attach I'd be grateful.

TIA

Walter Clark
Time stops in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., ljack70117@a... wrote:

Are yo talking about the bleeder rods that connect to the bleeder

value????

Thank you
Larry Jackman

Larry-

That's what I think I'm talking about. What I need to know is exactly
where I attach the bleeder rods to the K system triple valve and the
AB system AB valve? Nothing I've seen tells me exactly where these
rods attach.

TIA

Walter Clark
Time stops in November 1941
Riverside, California

wmcclark1980 wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Alan C. Welch" <acwelch@i...> wrote:

At 01:47 PM 12/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:

(snip) I
also want to start putting on "Little Buggers" at about .006"

Those in

particular would have to be strong as they are small and one end is

free and

unsupported.

(snip)

Hi, I've been working through the archives and this message is the
second mention I've seen about the "Little Buggers." I understand the
term refers to the air release (might be an incorrect name) for the

I can see them in my mind but can not tell you just what it is called. I think they were attached to the very
bottom of the triple valve. We called the "triple valves" regardless of the real name. Right on the bottom
there was a finger type rod that pointed down and would move side to side when the bleeder rod was pushed or
pulled. This open opened the bleeder valve and let the air out.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

wmcclark1980 wrote:

What I need to know is exactly where I attach the bleeder rods to the K
system triple valve and the AB system AB valve? Nothing I've seen tells
me exactly where these rods attach.

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2157.jpeg

This is the AB brake setup for an N&W HBa, showing the bleeder rods
attaching to the little dongle hanging below the AB valve body. The bleeder
rods for K brakes attached to a small valve on top center of the reservoir.

David Thompson

Walter Clark asks:
That's what I think I'm talking about. What I need to know is exactly
where I attach the bleeder rods to the K system triple valve and the
AB system AB valve? Nothing I've seen tells me exactly where these
rods attach.

I just posted a photo in the file section that clearly shows the "little
bugger's" attachment on an AB valve.
Hope this helps,

Kevin Lafferty

--- In STMFC@..., "Kevin Lafferty" <KevinHLafferty@a...>
wrote:

Walter Clark asks:
That's what I think I'm talking about. What I need to know is exactly
where I attach the bleeder rods to the K system triple valve and the
AB system AB valve? Nothing I've seen tells me exactly where these
rods attach.

I just posted a photo in the file section that clearly shows the "little
bugger's" attachment on an AB valve.
Hope this helps,

Kevin Lafferty

A heartfelt thank-you to Kevin and James D. Thompson for the jpg's.
Now, as to the K brake, James tells me the bleeder rods came off the
top of the triple valve. If someone can show me about where in
relation to the bottom view (what we all see) then I can go back to
building and lurking (and not necessarily in that order).

Thanks, again
Walter Clark
Time stops in November 1941
Riverside, California

Walter Clark says ...

Now, as to the K brake, James tells me the bleeder rods came off the
top of the triple valve. If someone can show me about where in
relation to the bottom view (what we all see) then I can go back to
building and lurking (and not necessarily in that order).

Oops, read it again. What James (Thompson) actually said was ...

.... The bleeder
rods for K brakes attached to a small valve on top center of the

reservoir.

The reservoir portion of the K brake is the big tank end of the
assembly. The top center of that reservoir is the portion closest to
the floor of the car when, for example, the K brake is mounted to a
box car. Basically, even on the real freight car, you typically can't
see the attachment point of the two rods to the reservoir mounted
release valve unless you crawl under the car and peer upwards and
sideways to see the bleeder valve assembly and the two attached
bleeder (release) rods.

For modeling purposes, just run the inner end of each rod to a point
equidistant from the reservoir ends and to the top center of the
reservoir. For ease of installation, fabricate the rod from a single
piece of wire; then mount the rod followed by installation of the K
brake assembly.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA

--- In STMFC@..., "Roger Miener" <Roger.Miener@w...> wrote:

Walter Clark says ...

Now, as to the K brake, James tells me the bleeder rods came off the
top of the triple valve. If someone can show me about where in
relation to the bottom view (what we all see) then I can go back to
building and lurking (and not necessarily in that order).

Oops, read it again. What James (Thompson) actually said was ...

.... The bleeder
rods for K brakes attached to a small valve on top center of the

reservoir.

The reservoir portion of the K brake is the big tank end of the
assembly. The top center of that reservoir is the portion closest to
the floor of the car when, for example, the K brake is mounted to a
box car. Basically, even on the real freight car, you typically can't
see the attachment point of the two rods to the reservoir mounted
release valve unless you crawl under the car and peer upwards and
sideways to see the bleeder valve assembly and the two attached
bleeder (release) rods.

For modeling purposes, just run the inner end of each rod to a point
equidistant from the reservoir ends and to the top center of the
reservoir. For ease of installation, fabricate the rod from a single
piece of wire; then mount the rod followed by installation of the K
brake assembly.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA

Roger-

Ooooooops is right. Thanks for setting me straight, and thanks, again
to all who enlightened me.

Walter Clark
November 1941 forever
Riverside, California

On Apr 5, 4:43pm, James D Thompson wrote:

This is the AB brake setup for an N&W HBa, showing the bleeder rods
attaching to the little dongle hanging below the AB valve body.

So, the little bugger attaches to the little dongle?

And people on this list complain when somebody types "roof walk" instead
of "running board"??!?

:-) :-)

-Jeff

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DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
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