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Swift meat cars
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Thomas Baker
Over the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers. Those I
have seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet include any composite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides? Tom |
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Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
I'd like to ask an additional question regarding the Swift reefers. Does
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anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift reefers. I'm modeling the Boston and Albany's Grand Junction Branch in Cambridge Mass which was home to a large Swift (was Squires ) meat packing plant (hogs in, pork out). I'd like to know what cars were appropriate in 1953 regards, Norm Larkin ----- Original Message -----
From: <bakert@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: [STMFC] Swift meat cars Over the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers.Those I have seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet includeany composite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides? |
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Don Strack <donstrack@...>
Tom Baker wrote:
Over the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers.Those I have seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet includeany composite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides?This brings to mind a question I have had for quite some time. Swift had a packing plant here in Utah, in Ogden. My research for my Ogden Rails book found that it was Swift's largest (and possibly only) lamb processing facility, until it closed in 1970. While doing the research, many people told me about seeing numerous Swift steel reefers first stored, then scrapped in Ogden in the early 1970s. This kind of makes sense, except that I talked to a couple guys who worked at the plant and they both said that all of the processed lamb was shipped out in PFE reefers. Does anyone care to comment? By the way, two Swift reefers have been preserved at the Ogden Railroad Museum. These two cars were purchased from the scrapper and were used, still on their trucks, as storage sheds. Sorry, but I don't know the car numbers. Here is a link to the text for that particular portion of the book: http://utahrails.net/ogden/ogden-industry.htm Don Strack http://utahrails.net |
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Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
Norm,
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Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is on 40 ft. reefers. There are several great shots of Swift reefers at the Sioux City Iowa plant taken in 54. Most cars are red, but there still are yellow cars around. Most cars appear to be wood rather than steel. I see no composite cars. Also GATX must have had a big presence in the packing industry. You will need GATX tank cars too, plus and assortment of regular box cars for incoming supplies, and older cars for tankage and hides. I will include a list of prototype cars with proper contents that I made up for the local Armour plant. tin cans box IC 43065, LA 36112 coal hopper PRR 172193 169635-172921 salt box rock salt box saw dust box cardboard box box MStL 52047 52000-52266 stock hogs stock NP 82724 82500-83249 MStL 72009 72001-72019 MStL 73089 73001-73099 stock cattle stock sheep stock NP 82680 82500-83249 CN 55250 meal box ATSF 138916 138700-139199 CBQ 25043 25000-25499 NC&StL 20102 20000-21399 lard tankage box PRR 56841 562729-563169 tank water tank tallow tank GATX 23564 22900-23999 GATX 24950 24264-25275 CWTX 3221 hides box PRR 53252 49314-57641 MSTL 25166 25000-25898 meat reefer ARLX 1955* 1 to 2000 ARLX 11191* 11000-11999 meat scrap box MILW 700788 7000000-703999 Norman+Laraine Larkin wrote: I'd like to ask an additional question regarding the Swift reefers. Does |
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thompson@...
Don Strack said:
This brings to mind a question I have had for quite some time. Swift had aWhat era would this be, regarding the PFE cars? Prior to the mid-1960s, PFE had practically no meat cars, and internal correspondence explains why: the packers had their own fleets, which they used preferentially, relegating PFE's cars to stand-by status most of the time. But in later years, as packers sold or scrapped their fleets, no doubt this changed. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history |
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Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
Thanks, Clark. That's just what I was looking for.
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Regards, Norm Larkin ----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Swift meat cars Norm,great shots of Swift reefers at the Sioux City Iowa plant taken in 54. Most carsare red, but there still are yellow cars around. Most cars appear to be woodrather than steel. I see no composite cars. Also GATX must have had a bigpresence in the packing industry. You will need GATX tank cars too, plus andassortment of regular box cars for incoming supplies, and older cars for tankage andhides. I will include a list of prototype cars with proper contents that I madeup for the local Armour plant.packing inplant (hogs in, pork out). I'd like to know what cars were appropriate include1953 regards, http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/anycomposite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides? http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Richard Hendrickson
Clark Propst wrote:
Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is on 40 ft. reefers. There are several greatGeneral American operated the Swift reefer fleet and sometimes supplemented it with GARX cars. Siwft also had tank cars for rendered fat which GATC operated under SWTX reporting marks. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Ned Carey <westernmd@...>
DoesNorm, I just read an article by Martin Lofton on the swift fleet. I don't have it at hand but a search of the model train magazine index shows RMJ Feb '93. I'm pretty sure that is it. It was a good article several pages with a number of photos including color photos and included a discussion of paint schemes and eras. Ned |
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Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
Thanks Ned, I'll see if I have the issue.
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Regards, Norm Larkin ----- Original Message -----
From: Ned Carey <westernmd@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Swift meat cars itDoesNorm, at hand but a search of the model train magazine index shows RMJ Feb '93. |
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jaley <jaley@...>
Wasn't there also an article by Martin in one of the NMRA National
Convention books? (Mine are all at home, but I recall that there's SOMETHING about meat reefers in "one of them"). I hope somebody can fill in the details. Regards, -Jeff On Apr 7, 12:10am, Ned Carey wrote: Subject: Re: [STMFC] Swift meat carsSwiftDoes itreefers.Norm, at hand but a search of the model train magazine index shows RMJ Feb'93. I'm pretty sure that is it. It was a good article several pages with apaint schemes and eras.http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
-- Jeff Aley jaley@... DPG Chipsets Product Engineering Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533 |
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Don Strack <donstrack@...>
Tony Thompson wrote:
What era would this be, regarding the PFE cars? Prior to the mid-1960s,why: the packers had their own fleets, which they used preferentially,The 1960s era matches the era that the former employees would have likely been talking about. You also mention it in the PFE book, page 375. I read that bit after I had talked to the former employees, so the two corroborate each other. Don Strack |
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