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Swift meat cars
Don Strack <donstrack@...>
Tony Thompson wrote:
been talking about. You also mention it in the PFE book, page 375. I read
that bit after I had talked to the former employees, so the two corroborate
each other.
Don Strack
What era would this be, regarding the PFE cars? Prior to the mid-1960s,why:
PFE had practically no meat cars, and internal correspondence explains
the packers had their own fleets, which they used preferentially,The 1960s era matches the era that the former employees would have likely
relegating PFE's cars to stand-by status most of the time. But in later
years, as packers sold or scrapped their fleets, no doubt this changed.
been talking about. You also mention it in the PFE book, page 375. I read
that bit after I had talked to the former employees, so the two corroborate
each other.
Don Strack
jaley <jaley@...>
Wasn't there also an article by Martin in one of the NMRA National
Convention books? (Mine are all at home, but I recall that there's
SOMETHING about meat reefers in "one of them").
I hope somebody can fill in the details.
Regards,
-Jeff
On Apr 7, 12:10am, Ned Carey wrote:
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Convention books? (Mine are all at home, but I recall that there's
SOMETHING about meat reefers in "one of them").
I hope somebody can fill in the details.
Regards,
-Jeff
On Apr 7, 12:10am, Ned Carey wrote:
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anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the
itreefers.Norm,
Norm Larkin
I just read an article by Martin Lofton on the swift fleet. I don't have
at hand but a search of the model train magazine index shows RMJ Feb'93.
I'm pretty sure that is it. It was a good article several pages with apaint
number of photos including color photos and included a discussion of
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Thanks Ned, I'll see if I have the issue.
Regards,
Norm Larkin
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Norm Larkin
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itDoesNorm,
anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift
reefers.
Norm Larkin
I just read an article by Martin Lofton on the swift fleet. I don't have
at hand but a search of the model train magazine index shows RMJ Feb '93.
I'm pretty sure that is it. It was a good article several pages with a
number of photos including color photos and included a discussion of paint
schemes and eras.
Ned
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DoesNorm,
anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift
reefers.
Norm Larkin
I just read an article by Martin Lofton on the swift fleet. I don't have it
at hand but a search of the model train magazine index shows RMJ Feb '93.
I'm pretty sure that is it. It was a good article several pages with a
number of photos including color photos and included a discussion of paint
schemes and eras.
Ned
Richard Hendrickson
Clark Propst wrote:
it with GARX cars. Siwft also had tank cars for rendered fat which GATC
operated under SWTX reporting marks.
Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is on 40 ft. reefers. There are several greatGeneral American operated the Swift reefer fleet and sometimes supplemented
shots of Swift reefers at the Sioux City Iowa plant taken in 54. Most cars are
red, but there still are yellow cars around. Most cars appear to be wood
rather
than steel. I see no composite cars. Also GATX must have had a big presence in
the packing industry. You will need GATX tank cars too, plus and assortment of
regular box cars for incoming supplies, and older cars for tankage and hides.
it with GARX cars. Siwft also had tank cars for rendered fat which GATC
operated under SWTX reporting marks.
Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
Thanks, Clark. That's just what I was looking for.
Regards,
Norm Larkin
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From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
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Norm,great
Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is on 40 ft. reefers. There are several
shots of Swift reefers at the Sioux City Iowa plant taken in 54. Most carsare
red, but there still are yellow cars around. Most cars appear to be woodrather
than steel. I see no composite cars. Also GATX must have had a bigpresence in
the packing industry. You will need GATX tank cars too, plus andassortment of
regular box cars for incoming supplies, and older cars for tankage andhides.
I will include a list of prototype cars with proper contents that I madeup
for the local Armour plant.packing
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Norman+Laraine Larkin wrote:I'd like to ask an additional question regarding the Swift reefers. Does
anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift
reefers. I'm modeling the Boston and Albany's Grand Junction Branch in
Cambridge Mass which was home to a large Swift (was Squires ) meat
inplant (hogs in, pork out). I'd like to know what cars were appropriate
include1953 regards,
Norm Larkin
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Subject: [STMFC] Swift meat carsOver the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers.Those Ihave seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet
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Don Strack said:
PFE had practically no meat cars, and internal correspondence explains why:
the packers had their own fleets, which they used preferentially,
relegating PFE's cars to stand-by status most of the time. But in later
years, as packers sold or scrapped their fleets, no doubt this changed.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
This brings to mind a question I have had for quite some time. Swift had aWhat era would this be, regarding the PFE cars? Prior to the mid-1960s,
packing plant here in Utah, in Ogden. My research for my Ogden Rails book
found that it was Swift's largest (and possibly only) lamb processing
facility, until it closed in 1970. While doing the research, many people
told me about seeing numerous Swift steel reefers first stored, then
scrapped in Ogden in the early 1970s. This kind of makes sense, except that
I talked to a couple guys who worked at the plant and they both said that
all of the processed lamb was shipped out in PFE reefers.
PFE had practically no meat cars, and internal correspondence explains why:
the packers had their own fleets, which they used preferentially,
relegating PFE's cars to stand-by status most of the time. But in later
years, as packers sold or scrapped their fleets, no doubt this changed.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
Norm,
Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is on 40 ft. reefers. There are several great
shots of Swift reefers at the Sioux City Iowa plant taken in 54. Most cars are
red, but there still are yellow cars around. Most cars appear to be wood rather
than steel. I see no composite cars. Also GATX must have had a big presence in
the packing industry. You will need GATX tank cars too, plus and assortment of
regular box cars for incoming supplies, and older cars for tankage and hides.
I will include a list of prototype cars with proper contents that I made up
for the local Armour plant.
tin cans box IC 43065, LA 36112
coal hopper PRR 172193 169635-172921
salt box
rock salt box
saw dust box
cardboard box box MStL 52047 52000-52266
stock hogs stock NP 82724 82500-83249
MStL 72009 72001-72019
MStL 73089 73001-73099
stock cattle
stock sheep stock NP 82680 82500-83249
CN 55250
meal box ATSF 138916 138700-139199
CBQ 25043 25000-25499
NC&StL 20102 20000-21399
lard
tankage box PRR 56841 562729-563169
tank water tank
tallow tank GATX 23564 22900-23999
GATX 24950 24264-25275
CWTX 3221
hides box PRR 53252 49314-57641
MSTL 25166 25000-25898
meat reefer ARLX 1955* 1 to 2000
ARLX 11191* 11000-11999
meat scrap box MILW 700788 7000000-703999
Norman+Laraine Larkin wrote:
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Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 is on 40 ft. reefers. There are several great
shots of Swift reefers at the Sioux City Iowa plant taken in 54. Most cars are
red, but there still are yellow cars around. Most cars appear to be wood rather
than steel. I see no composite cars. Also GATX must have had a big presence in
the packing industry. You will need GATX tank cars too, plus and assortment of
regular box cars for incoming supplies, and older cars for tankage and hides.
I will include a list of prototype cars with proper contents that I made up
for the local Armour plant.
tin cans box IC 43065, LA 36112
coal hopper PRR 172193 169635-172921
salt box
rock salt box
saw dust box
cardboard box box MStL 52047 52000-52266
stock hogs stock NP 82724 82500-83249
MStL 72009 72001-72019
MStL 73089 73001-73099
stock cattle
stock sheep stock NP 82680 82500-83249
CN 55250
meal box ATSF 138916 138700-139199
CBQ 25043 25000-25499
NC&StL 20102 20000-21399
lard
tankage box PRR 56841 562729-563169
tank water tank
tallow tank GATX 23564 22900-23999
GATX 24950 24264-25275
CWTX 3221
hides box PRR 53252 49314-57641
MSTL 25166 25000-25898
meat reefer ARLX 1955* 1 to 2000
ARLX 11191* 11000-11999
meat scrap box MILW 700788 7000000-703999
Norman+Laraine Larkin wrote:
I'd like to ask an additional question regarding the Swift reefers. Does
anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift
reefers. I'm modeling the Boston and Albany's Grand Junction Branch in
Cambridge Mass which was home to a large Swift (was Squires ) meat packing
plant (hogs in, pork out). I'd like to know what cars were appropriate in
1953 regards,
Norm Larkin
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Subject: [STMFC] Swift meat carsOver the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers.Those Ihave seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet includeanycomposite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides?
Tom
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Don Strack <donstrack@...>
Tom Baker wrote:
packing plant here in Utah, in Ogden. My research for my Ogden Rails book
found that it was Swift's largest (and possibly only) lamb processing
facility, until it closed in 1970. While doing the research, many people
told me about seeing numerous Swift steel reefers first stored, then
scrapped in Ogden in the early 1970s. This kind of makes sense, except that
I talked to a couple guys who worked at the plant and they both said that
all of the processed lamb was shipped out in PFE reefers.
Does anyone care to comment?
By the way, two Swift reefers have been preserved at the Ogden Railroad
Museum. These two cars were purchased from the scrapper and were used, still
on their trucks, as storage sheds. Sorry, but I don't know the car numbers.
Here is a link to the text for that particular portion of the book:
http://utahrails.net/ogden/ogden-industry.htm
Don Strack
http://utahrails.net
Over the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers.Those I
have seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet includeany
composite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides?This brings to mind a question I have had for quite some time. Swift had a
packing plant here in Utah, in Ogden. My research for my Ogden Rails book
found that it was Swift's largest (and possibly only) lamb processing
facility, until it closed in 1970. While doing the research, many people
told me about seeing numerous Swift steel reefers first stored, then
scrapped in Ogden in the early 1970s. This kind of makes sense, except that
I talked to a couple guys who worked at the plant and they both said that
all of the processed lamb was shipped out in PFE reefers.
Does anyone care to comment?
By the way, two Swift reefers have been preserved at the Ogden Railroad
Museum. These two cars were purchased from the scrapper and were used, still
on their trucks, as storage sheds. Sorry, but I don't know the car numbers.
Here is a link to the text for that particular portion of the book:
http://utahrails.net/ogden/ogden-industry.htm
Don Strack
http://utahrails.net
Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
I'd like to ask an additional question regarding the Swift reefers. Does
anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift
reefers. I'm modeling the Boston and Albany's Grand Junction Branch in
Cambridge Mass which was home to a large Swift (was Squires ) meat packing
plant (hogs in, pork out). I'd like to know what cars were appropriate in
1953 regards,
Norm Larkin
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anyone know of a source that could provide a brief history of the Swift
reefers. I'm modeling the Boston and Albany's Grand Junction Branch in
Cambridge Mass which was home to a large Swift (was Squires ) meat packing
plant (hogs in, pork out). I'd like to know what cars were appropriate in
1953 regards,
Norm Larkin
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Subject: [STMFC] Swift meat cars
Over the years I have seen quite a few photos of Swift meat reefers.Those I
have seen are either all wood or all metal. Did the Swift fleet includeany
composite cars with metal roofs and ends but wood sides?
Tom
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