M&SL Box Cars in Northern New England


tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Don Valentine stated:

Neat little road, the M&StL. Sort of like a granger Rutland. But
what
other than possibly a boxcar of grain can be used to justify a M&StL
car in
northern New England in the late 1940's?
About one in 300-325 were the odds overall for all commodities.

Tim Gilbert


lodged@...
 

There was, and is, a lot of manufacturing done in Iowa. Farm equipment as
well as consumer goods. Not just corn and hogs and, yes, sheep.

Don Lodge

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Don Valentine stated:<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Neat little road, the M&amp;StL. Sort
of like a granger Rutland. But<BR>
what<BR>
other than possibly a boxcar of grain can be used to justify a
M&amp;StL<BR>
car in<BR>
northern New England in the late 1940's?<BR>
<BR>
About one in 300-325 were the odds overall for all commodities.<BR>
<BR>
Tim Gilbert<BR>
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Don Valentine
 

Quoting lodged@mindspring.com:

There was, and is, a lot of manufacturing done in Iowa. Farm equipment
as
well as consumer goods. Not just corn and hogs and, yes, sheep.

Don Lodge


Having raised Polled Dorsets for twenty years I'm well aware of the
sheep, Don, due to the fact that the records for the breed were maintained
by a woman in Hudson, Iowa for many years until the late 1990's. The GSC flats
are too late for someone with a 12-31-1948 cutoff date but there must be some
boxcar load other than grain. Guess that can do if need be, however.

Don Valentine


ljack70117@...
 

How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A lot of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:21 PM, newrail@sover.net wrote:

Quoting lodged@mindspring.com:

There was, and is, a lot of manufacturing done in Iowa. Farm equipment
as
well as consumer goods. Not just corn and hogs and, yes, sheep.

Don Lodge


Having raised Polled Dorsets for twenty years I'm well aware of the
sheep, Don, due to the fact that the records for the breed were maintained
by a woman in Hudson, Iowa for many years until the late 1990's. The GSC flats
are too late for someone with a 12-31-1948 cutoff date but there must be some
boxcar load other than grain. Guess that can do if need be, however.

Don Valentine


Don Valentine
 

Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:

How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A lot
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.
Amana products are made in Iowa, Larry, but apparently not on the
M&StL...which is also an issue for Davenport. Expect we'll have to be happy
with a boxcar load of grain.

Take care, Don Valentine


tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Don Valentine wrote:

Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:

How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A
lot
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.
Amana products are made in Iowa, Larry, but apparently not on the

M&StL...which is also an issue for Davenport. Expect we'll have to be
happy
with a boxcar load of grain.
Over 95% of the boxcars loaded on the M&SL were in foreign cars in the
late 1940's!

Tim Gilbert


G. Walls <glwalls@...>
 

Hi Folks,
Along with Maytag, Newton,Iowa.
And just for information, The Amana Colonies,(Amana Industries)
was/is a commune of which there are four small towns. Each one
provides something for the whole.
Griffen Foundry and Pipe, Blue Bell school buses, John Deere,
Catapiler (Heavy Equipment) Motorhomes. Besides being the number one
state in corn and hog production.

George Walls
Treynor, Iowa



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote:
How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A
lot
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:21 PM, newrail@s... wrote:

Quoting lodged@m...:

There was, and is, a lot of manufacturing done in Iowa. Farm
equipment
as
well as consumer goods. Not just corn and hogs and, yes, sheep.

Don Lodge


Having raised Polled Dorsets for twenty years I'm well
aware of
the
sheep, Don, due to the fact that the records for the breed were
maintained
by a woman in Hudson, Iowa for many years until the late 1990's.
The
GSC flats
are too late for someone with a 12-31-1948 cutoff date but there
must
be some
boxcar load other than grain. Guess that can do if need be,
however.

Don Valentine


ron christensen
 

Don't forget the hides shipped from Iowa to the tanneries. M&StL had
cars marked for there use.
Ron Christensen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "G. Walls" <glwalls@f...> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Along with Maytag, Newton,Iowa.
And just for information, The Amana Colonies,(Amana Industries)
was/is a commune of which there are four small towns. Each one
provides something for the whole.
Griffen Foundry and Pipe, Blue Bell school buses, John Deere,
Catapiler (Heavy Equipment) Motorhomes. Besides being the number one
state in corn and hog production.

George Walls
Treynor, Iowa



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote:
How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A
lot
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:21 PM, newrail@s... wrote:

Quoting lodged@m...:

There was, and is, a lot of manufacturing done in Iowa. Farm
equipment
as
well as consumer goods. Not just corn and hogs and, yes,
sheep.

Don Lodge


Having raised Polled Dorsets for twenty years I'm well
aware of
the
sheep, Don, due to the fact that the records for the breed were
maintained
by a woman in Hudson, Iowa for many years until the late 1990's.
The
GSC flats
are too late for someone with a 12-31-1948 cutoff date but there
must
be some
boxcar load other than grain. Guess that can do if need be,
however.

Don Valentine


Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

The M&StL had a branch to Newton.
Clark Propst
PS there's more posts on this list about the M&StL than on the M&StL list!

"G. Walls" wrote:

Hi Folks,
Along with Maytag, Newton,Iowa.
And just for information, The Amana Colonies,(Amana Industries)
was/is a commune of which there are four small towns. Each one
provides something for the whole.
Griffen Foundry and Pipe, Blue Bell school buses, John Deere,
Catapiler (Heavy Equipment) Motorhomes. Besides being the number one
state in corn and hog production.

George Walls
Treynor, Iowa

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote:
How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A
lot
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:21 PM, newrail@s... wrote:

Quoting lodged@m...:

There was, and is, a lot of manufacturing done in Iowa. Farm
equipment
as
well as consumer goods. Not just corn and hogs and, yes, sheep.

Don Lodge


Having raised Polled Dorsets for twenty years I'm well
aware of
the
sheep, Don, due to the fact that the records for the breed were
maintained
by a woman in Hudson, Iowa for many years until the late 1990's.
The
GSC flats
are too late for someone with a 12-31-1948 cutoff date but there
must
be some
boxcar load other than grain. Guess that can do if need be,
however.

Don Valentine

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lodged@...
 

How about Lenox Furnace and Fisher Governor in Marshalltown? Box cars for
sure.

Don Lodge

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Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:<BR>
<BR>
How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A lot <BR>
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Amana products are made in Iowa, Larry, but
apparently not on the <BR>
M&amp;StL...which is also an issue for Davenport. Expect we'll have to be
happy<BR>
with a boxcar load of grain.<BR>
<BR>
Take care, Don Valentine<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
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Joe Binish <joebinish@...>
 

Hey, This is great! I've always wanted an M&StL discussion on the
STMFClist! As a fan of the Louie(sorry Clark), I must remind you of the
Minneapolis-Moline plant in Hopkins, MN.

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How about Lenox Furnace and Fisher Governor in Marshalltown? Box cars
for
sure.

Don Lodge

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Quoting ljack70117@adelphia.net:<BR>
<BR>
How about Amana. Weren't they in Iowa. Davenport locomotive Co. A
lot <BR>
of their products were shipped out on flat cars and in box cars.<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Amana products are made in Iowa, Larry, but
apparently not on the <BR>
M&amp;StL...which is also an issue for Davenport. Expect we'll have to be
happy<BR>
with a boxcar load of grain.<BR>
<BR>
Take care, Don Valentine<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
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tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:

The M&StL had a branch to Newton.
Clark Propst
PS there's more posts on this list about the M&StL than on the M&StL
list!
Keeping the "debate" on topic, most of the boxcars loaded by industries
on the M&SL used foreign boxcars - I estimate over 95% of them in the
late 1940's.

In the same breath, most of M&SL's boxcars carried loads originated on
foreign roads.

In conclusion in the late 1940's, the ownership of boxcars were
contributions to the national fleet with the same effect as the RAILBOX
cars were used in the 1970's.

Tim Gilbert


Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Tim,
I enjoy learning about the 'proper ' way railroads were to handle foreign road
cars and empties. But most old railroaders I've talked to just talk of loads and
empties, railroads aren't mentioned. They used what was available. I was going to
say like Railbox advertised, but you beat me to it again.
Clark Propst

tim gilbert wrote:

Clark Propst wrote:

The M&StL had a branch to Newton.
Clark Propst
PS there's more posts on this list about the M&StL than on the M&StL
list!
Keeping the "debate" on topic, most of the boxcars loaded by industries
on the M&SL used foreign boxcars - I estimate over 95% of them in the
late 1940's.

In the same breath, most of M&SL's boxcars carried loads originated on
foreign roads.

In conclusion in the late 1940's, the ownership of boxcars were
contributions to the national fleet with the same effect as the RAILBOX
cars were used in the 1970's.

Tim Gilbert


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tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:

Tim,
I enjoy learning about the 'proper ' way railroads were to handle
foreign road
cars and empties. But most old railroaders I've talked to just talk of
loads and
empties, railroads aren't mentioned. They used what was available. I
was going to
say like Railbox advertised, but you beat me to it again.
Thanks Clark. Your insight may have a better chance of swaying the Mid
West lobby.

One point about "using what was available," that depended upon having a
"reload" available which could be loaded into any empty car suitable for
that load.

Generally, it was difficult to reload a hopper until that empty got back
to the mines; hence, the percent loaded car miles of hoppers was
slightly above 50%.

On the other hand, the amount of commodities which could be loaded into
boxcars were quite extensive so reloads were available long before the
empty reached home rails. Hence, the percent loaded car miles for
boxcars were in the 75%-85% range.

Again thanks, Tim Gilbert