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Photo in 2004 Model Railroader Calendar
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Walter M. Clark
Guys-
I was in Longs in Moreno Valley today and saw the new 2004 Model Railroader Calendar. Our esteemed Mike Brock has a beautiful photo in it. Great work, Mike, and congratulations. Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California
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Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Walter M. Clark writes:
"I was in Longs in Moreno Valley today and saw the new 2004 Model Railroader Calendar. Our esteemed Mike Brock has a beautiful photo in it. Great work, Mike, and congratulations." I do? First I knew of it. Do you suppose there's another Mike Brock out there and...no, even my imagination can't bring that up. Still, you'd think they might have mentioned it...or...gulp...sent me one. Guess I'll have to get one [ maybe ten? ] somewhere...need to know what day it is, you know. Does it include a frt car? Hate to be out of line here. Mike Brock
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Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
Mike...
Unfortunately your experience with Kalmbach's publications policy parallels mine. They belong to the class of publisher that dosen't belive in informing the photographer that a picture has been chosen for publication...I found out about my photo being used in the TRAINS calender some years ago when I ran across it in a hobby shop...and I had to buy the copy I got! But the strangest one was maybe 15 or so years ago when they used a shot in TRAINS of mine taken at Mescal AZ (not too far from here) of an Espee freight (sorry...not steam era) topping the hill. Several of us were commenting on the shot (and I was thinking of "who took the shot at one of my favorite locations) when I read the credit line...(I didn't remember sending it in for review). Oh, well...at least they pay promptly! And now, back to more pertenant things (the train WAS a freight train!) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:13:14 -0400 From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> Subject: Re: Photo in 2004 Model Railroader Calendar I do? First I knew of it. Do you suppose there's another Mike Brock out there and...no, even my imagination can't bring that up. Still, you'd think they might have mentioned it...or...gulp...sent me one. Guess I'll have to get one [ maybe ten? ] somewhere...need to know what day it is, you know. Does it include a frt car? Hate to be out of line here. Mike Brock ===== Bill Daniels Tucson, AZ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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Walter M. Clark
--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@b...> wrote:
Walter M. Clark writes:Brock out there and...no, even my imagination can't bring that up. Still, you'd think they might have mentioned it...or...gulp...sent me one. Guess I'll have to get one [ maybe ten? ] somewhere...need to know what day it is, you know. Does it include a frt car? Hate to be out of line here. Mike- It was shrink-rapped, so I didn't look inside, just at the thumbnails on the back. It appeared to be a photo of your engine terminal. Walt
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jaley <jaley@...>
On Aug 31, 12:13pm, Mike Brock wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Photo in 2004 Model Railroader Calendar<Sigh> I'm not sure how Mike is able to sleep at night -- I understand he keeps a copy of each of his magazine articles under his pillow! Now poor Mike will have to add a calendar to the pile of magazines. I remember a long time ago, people started writing to MR about "too much Malcomb Furlow". Perhaps we should write letters complaining of "too much Mike Brock". Naah. If he weren't a nice guy, I'd do it, but since he is, I guess I'll have to settle for being envious. :-) Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley jaley@... DPG Chipsets Product Engineering Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Richard Hendrickson
Jeff Aley writes:
I remember a long time ago, people started writing to MR aboutNo, Jeff, we still need to write letters complaining about too much Malcolm Furlow. I thought he'd ridden off into the sunset, but I notice he's back in the pages of MR, and ANY Macolm Furlow is TOO MUCH Malcolm Furlow. Let's request more from Mike Brock and other contributors to this list. I get the impression that Andy is the only prototype modeler left in Waukesha. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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asychis@...
In a message dated 9/3/2003 9:41:30 AM Central Standard Time,
cvlk@... writes: Writing to Model Railroader to include articles on freight cars of theHmmm, is there proof of this? Have list members submitted articles for publication and had them rejected? I'm not doubting that this may be the case, but I'd like to see some evidence that this is the actual practice in MR. Jerry Michels
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asychis@...
In a message dated 9/3/2003 10:57:58 AM Central Standard Time, atsf@...
writes: There is much evidence that MR will do the following; buy articles thatI was looking more for outright rejection of certain content, not publication schedules. Regarding rewriting, I take it that that is their policy to make. I've had articles in Mainline and RMC that were editorially changed, usually for the better. Editorial changes would be typical for 99.9% of all magazines, journals, books, etc. That's just the nature of publishing. Jerry Michels
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Charlie Vlk
Writing to Model Railroader to include articles on freight cars of the
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caliber that this list is interested in instead of Malcom Furlow is like writing to Better Homes and Gardens to include more articles on dropping a new trans in your Corvette.... it ain't going to happen. MR is MR.... a general interest magazine run by corporate concensus with heavy overide by the marketing people. While I would like to see them have more content based on their 75 (???) years of archived prototype information instead of phlights of phantasy philler material, they don't have people on staff that have the knowledge or curiosity to reseach and write really solid articles anymore. There is hope as Trains magazine seems to be going in the right direction, but time will tell. In the meantime submit to the specialty mags that understand the material and will be happy to have it to publish it. Charlie Vlk
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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Photo in 2004 Model Railroader Calendar Jeff Aley writes:ofI remember a long time ago, people started writing to MR about Malcolm"too much Mike Brock".No, Jeff, we still need to write letters complaining about too much Furlow. I thought he'd ridden off into the sunset, but I notice he's backWaukesha.
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Stephanie Miller <atsf@...>
Have list members submitted articles forpublication and had them rejected? I'm not doubting that this may be the case, but I'd like to see some evidence that this is the actual practice in MR.< There is much evidence that MR will do the following; buy articles that never see the light of day, or buy articles that are published years later. At least with the other mags you know they will be published in a reasonable timeframe. I would never send MR anything within the contract reading "will be published within 12 months". Another minor problem is they rewrite all articles so the original author might not even recognize it was their work<G>! Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
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-----Original Message----- No, Jeff, we still need to write letters complaining about too Richards suggestion is a nice vent but I suspect they've got some idea in mind of what they want in their magazines and IMO it ain't accurate freight cars, no matter how many letters get written. I started buying MR in 1964 and continued every month till spring of this year. I don't even bother checking it out anymore (tho with guilty pleasure I did look at the Furlow piece for a good laugh). I get more than enough freight car info from this list (and other internet sources), the many good books being published these days, and suplemental info from RMJ, MM, and RMC. Dave Nelson
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Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Jerry,
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I once submitted a combined prototype/modeling article to MR about the Slidewell door opening devices. They accepted it, and paid promptly. That was over 10 years ago, and to my knowledge it has never been used. Sorry, Andy, but them's the facts. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff asychis@... wrote:
In a message dated 9/3/2003 9:41:30 AM Central Standard Time,
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asychis@...
In a message dated 09/03/03 5:44:14 PM Central Standard Time,
thompson@... writes: I once retrieved an article they'dSo again, there is no evidence that MR restricts prototype articles. If they did that, it seems they would reject the articles outright. I can see them accepting and paying for articles and then sitting on them because they need a large backlog of articles if times get slim. Now that doesn't mean that it is a good practice, just an editorial policy that probably happens with a lot of hobby magazines. I bet most historical society, and probably MM and RMJ would love to have the stockpile at MR! By the way, just for grins, how many on this list started in model railroading by reading MR? How long from that time until you became a prototype modeler? I did, started reading MR at about 12 when I got a subscription for a gift and have read it almost continuously since then. I have to admit, though, the two best days as far as my modeling goes were 1. when I first saw a copy of RMC, and 2. when I saw Mainline Modeler #1. That is a magazine that broke the mold in my opinion. It really started me thinking of modifying the freightcars of the day into more prototypically accurate Missouri Pacific cars. Developed my skills a lot! Mainline sure has changed over the years, MR has Malcom and MM really pushes George. Note the cover this month, steam pulling a Santa Fe Shock Control boxcar. That wouldn't have ever, ever made the cover in the early 1980s! Use to be NOTABLE new products, now it's just new products. Times do change. Jerry Michels
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thompson@...
Jerry Michels said:
I was looking more for outright rejection of certain content, not publicationReasonable point, but their tendency over the year is to buy it and bury it. Then you can't publish it ANYWHERE. I once retrieved an article they'd accepted and held a couple of years, by saying I wanted to publish it, elsewhere if not with them, and they returned it (it was promptly published by RMC). Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Richard, Richard, Richard...
(I always wanted to say that.) Try to see things from the Trains Are Fun For Yahoos (TAFFY) crowd. We RPM's have ORER's, Builder Cyclopedias, Museums, Collections, an incredible compendium of books, diagrams, prototype materials, and scads of photographs. All they have is Model Railroader. Now, does that seem fair? Now, who is working on those official Prototype Police jackets? No, Jeff, we still need to write letters complaining about too much Malcolm Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<-- Sterling, Massachusetts
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Mont Switzer <ZOE@...>
I submit one or two articles a year to MR, mostly on freight cars and I
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can't recall when I've had a rejection. Check in 60 days and I usually see it in print within 24 months. I'm sure I don't model to the caliber many on this list profess to, but the editors at MR call with questions that lead me to believe they want to get my stuff right in print. I've been pleased with their presentation of my work thus far. I'm not pushing MR, but I certainly would pick up the current issue just for Bill Darnaby's article on railroad interchanges. He shoves a lot of 1950's era freight cars through those "Y's" as the photos illustrate to well. Mont Switzer
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From: <asychis@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Photo in 2004 Model Railroader Calendar In a message dated 9/3/2003 10:57:58 AM Central Standard Time,atsf@... writes:later.There is much evidence that MR will do the following; buy articles that reasonableAt least with the other mags you know they will be published in a "willtimeframe. I would never send MR anything within the contract reading publicationbe published within 12 months".I was looking more for outright rejection of certain content, not schedules. Regarding rewriting, I take it that that is their policy tomake. I've had articles in Mainline and RMC that were editorially changed,usually for the better. Editorial changes would be typical for 99.9% of all
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Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Jerry Michels wrote
By the way, just for grins, how many on this list started in model Not me. I had been model railroading for 3 years by the time I enrolled in the first grade. I don't think I read an MR or any other hobby magazine until I was 11 or 12... and then I went back through my Dad's entire collection going back to the 1930's. By the end of high school I was hooked on Trains magazine and was turned off by the lack of really accurate model trains. I turned my back on modeling and didn't rediscover it for 17 years when I saw my first Tichy kit... then I knew the world had caught up with my desires. It was a couple more years after that I discovered Prototype Modeler and Mainline Modeler. I don't think magazines can create the desire for something, they just feed our desires. If you're not an RPM in your heart, reading Mainline Modeler's not going to change you. Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<-- Sterling, Massachusetts
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Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
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-----Original Message----- This is a *very* interesting thought. I'm not sure it's correct tho but it may well be. I started buying MR at age 11 -- that summer included _The Art of Model Railroading_ by Frank Ellison. I dunno at this date whether Frank was or was not what we'd now recognize as a prototype modeler (considering the limitations of his day) but to this 11 year old he successfully conveyed that a particular way of model railroading was more similar to real railroads than all the alternatives other people were espousing. John Allen was also writing stuff then -- about fast clocks as I recall -- and there was his photography that so skillfully offered another alternative-to-the-norm. Not really realistic but vastly more realisitic than the other stuff in print. Now back to Tim's point: was I already a RPM or were these authors creating a POV that would only become visible decades later? I dunno. Dave Nelson
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Benjamin Frank Hom <b.hom@...>
Jerry Michels wrote:
By the way, just for grins, how many on this list started in model railroading by reading MR? MR and RMC were the only magazines carried by bookstores and hobby shops while I was growing up in Southwest Florida, and I read both as a teenager. Even then, the early RPI articles and the Protofile series in RMC started to get me thinking about more realistic models. Then I got selected for a Navy ROTC scholarship, got turned down by MIT and accepted by RPI in 1985, and the rest is history. Ben Hom
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Charlie Vlk
Thinking about this thread I want to clarify that I don't feel that MR is
"Model Railroading for Idiots" or even for the dreaded Vesties.... my take on MR is that it is a general circulation magazine that should not be expected to print paragraphs of esoterica that (we on) this list are concerned with..... MR is a professional, albeit market-driven corporate, publication that is IMHO indispensable to the Hobby, and in spite of the occasional Sellios/Furlow they still do Good Things in every issue. Just because MR is not the best or proper forum for Steam Era Frieght Car Modeling and other magazines are does not diminish its value to us....we still need locomotives and track, without the MR audience we might not have as many goodies.... Charlie Vlk
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