Mont, I guess I'm not following you exactly. NYS&W acquired 35 cars
in 1952. In 1956, 25 were sold to the Monon. Two were retained on the
roster evidently to 1980 or even beyond. And 8 were vacated from the
roster by 1959 with unknown (to me) dispositions. I don't have an
ORER between 1953 and 1959, so I can't pin it down any better.

But they were all delivered with black roofs and ends, like this
Kadee model. (In fact, see RMJ 6/1993 for a 1956 photo of #418.)

http://www.kadee.com/ca/4024l.htm

Tim: I seem to recall when I researched the Monon cars I came to the
conclusion that the Monon did not get them all, but didn't pursue what
the NYS&W did with the remainder of them.

I've always been of the opinion that Pullman Standard had something to
do with the sale because of the way the Monon cars were painted. They
had black ends. Only new cars delivered to the Monon by P-S had black
ends. All other cars painted by the Monon had ends the same color as
the car sides. This is purely speculation. Mont

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYS&W 501-524 40ft steel boxcars


Mont, the car in the circa 1980 photo matches those features, but
we're talking about 30 years later! By 1959 the NYSW only showed
two cars remaining of those 35 PS-1's they bought in 1952. What
happened to the other 8 is a mystery... the #526 could be either
the #401 or #402, which were still on the roster in 1972!

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim: I seem to recall when I researched the Monon cars I came to the
conclusion that the Monon did not get them all, but didn't pursue what
the NYS&W did with the remainder of them.

I've always been of the opinion that Pullman Standard had something to
do with the sale because of the way the Monon cars were painted. They
had black ends. Only new cars delivered to the Monon by P-S had black
ends. All other cars painted by the Monon had ends the same color as
the car sides. This is purely speculation. Mont

Mont, the car in the circa 1980 photo matches those features, but
we're talking about 30 years later! By 1959 the NYSW only showed
two cars remaining of those 35 PS-1's they bought in 1952. What
happened to the other 8 is a mystery... the #526 could be either
the #401 or #402, which were still on the roster in 1972!

Tim:

Are these 40 ft. PS-1's with 6 ft. five panel Superior doors? If so they
may have become Monon 541 - 565. An equipment diagram note reads as
follows:

"NOTE:- THESE CARS WERE PURCHASED 2ND HAND FROM N.Y.S.& W. RR. 9-21-56."

The diagram indicates the cars were built in 11-52, lot no. 8080.

Mont Switzer

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts

That's weird, I have scans of NYSW 501 and 510 and they are 40 foot cars.
Sorry, my typo. The IL is 40 ft 6in, not 50 ft 6 in. Do the scans you have
match my description and/or the photo in Classic Freight Cars Vol 7?

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Yes Larry, they are clearly rebuilds of something. Also, as I was digging
around looking for the BAR reefer photo, I found another NYSW photo - #504
in fairly new paint and it also has the 6/5/5 ends etc. So evidently based
on your photos and mine, all of the cars were rebuilds. But of what?


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim:

Are these 40 ft. PS-1's with 6 ft. five panel Superior doors? If so they
may have become Monon 541 - 565. An equipment diagram note reads as
follows:

"NOTE:- THESE CARS WERE PURCHASED 2ND HAND FROM N.Y.S.& W. RR. 9-21-56."

The diagram indicates the cars were built in 11-52, lot no. 8080.

Mont Switzer

Thanks to all for their replies.

Ed Mines wrote
I'm writing this at work so I can't check my photo collection. If this is a
40 ft. car with the old lady I think it's an ex LV former
double door box car.
The 1-59 ORER has a LV 5000-5698 series of steel box cars for which all of
the ORER dimensions match the ORER dimensions of the NYS&W 501-524 series in
the 4-66 ORER. There are 492 cars in the LV 5000-5698 series in the 1-59
ORER, only 32 in the 4-66 ORER. Are these the LV cars you had in mind?

Tim O'Connor wrote
That's weird, I have scans of NYSW 501 and 510 and they are 40 foot cars.
Sorry, my typo. The IL is 40 ft 6in, not 50 ft 6 in. Do the scans you have
match my description and/or the photo in Classic Freight Cars Vol 7?

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Larry,

That's weird, I have scans of NYSW 501 and 510 and they are
40 foot cars. Also the 1965 ORER lists 501 to 524 as 40 foot
cars. The 3645 cubic feet is consistent with a 40 foot car,
not a 50 footer.

I have a 1980's scan of NYSW 526, a 40 foot PS1 painted in
a scheme just like the Rutland cars. One thing about the NYSW,
it was one weird railroad!

There is a photo of NYS&W 508 on p45 of Classic Freight Cars, Vol 7.

Atlas O applied this paint scheme to their steel rebuilt boxcar.

Does anyone know the origin of these cars?

All 24 cars in the 501-524 series is listed in the 4-66 ORER. This series
is not listed in the 1-59 ORER. I don't have any ORERs in between these
dates.

The ORER dimensions are IL 50ft 6in, IW 9ft 0in, IH 10ft 0in, HtopRB 14ft
8in, and cuft 3645.

The 5 panel steel sides have a double row of rivets at each panel seam.
The panel widths near the door on the left hand side suggest that the car
originally was an auto boxcar. The ends are 6/5/5 (counting from the top)
corrugated ends with inverted corrugations.

TIA for any help.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> -->> NOTE EMAIL CHANGE <<--
Sterling, Massachusetts

These cars are NOT in my 1/64 ORER.


Terry

Larry-

I'm writing this at work so I can't check my photo collection. If
this is a 40 ft. car with the old lady I think it's an exLV former
double door box car.

Ed Mines

Larry Kline asks:

All 24 cars in the 501-524 series is listed in the 4-66 ORER. This series
is not listed in the 1-59 ORER. I don't have any ORERs in between these
dates.

I looked through ORERs and can say they appeared in late 1964 (not present
7/64, listed by 1/65), and left the NYSW roster in 1978 (last listed 7/78,
not listed 10/78).

--
Ian Cranstone
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

There is a photo of NYS&W 508 on p45 of Classic Freight Cars, Vol 7.

AtlasO applied this paint scheme to their steel rebuilt boxcar.

Does anyone know the origin of these cars?

All 24 cars in the 501-524 series is listed in the 4-66 ORER. This series
is not listed in the 1-59 ORER. I don't have any ORERs in between these
dates.
The ORER dimensions are IL 50ft 6in, IW 9ft 0in, IH 10ft 0in, HtopRB 14ft
8in, and cuft 3645.
The 5 panel steel sides have a double row of rivets at each panel seam. The
panel widths near the door on the left hand side suggest that the car
originally was an auto boxcar. The ends are 6/5/5 (counting from the top)
corrugated ends with inverted corrugations.

TIA for any help.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA