Ted,

I think you are looking for data on the DL&W gons that were rebuilt to haul
cement containers.

According to my 1952 DL&W diagram book, these cars 19900 to 19955 were fitted
for containers . These were renumbered from cars in 68000-68199 series built
in 1916 by "S.S.C. Co." Conversions started in 1939 and continued through
1942.

I can scan the sheet if you like.


Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO

Does anyone know who the builder was for the DL&W's 68000 series of 40'2" IL 18-panel gons? These were built in 1916.

Thank you.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

On Dec 10, 2003, at 1:51 PM, raildata@... wrote:

Ted,

I think you are looking for data on the DL&W gons that were rebuilt to
haul
cement containers.

According to my 1952 DL&W diagram book, these cars 19900 to 19955 were
fitted
for containers .  These were renumbered from cars in 68000-68199
series built
in 1916 by "S.S.C. Co."  Conversions started in 1939 and continued
through
1942.

I can scan the sheet if you like.

Chuck:

I'd love it. Thank you. I am actually more interested in the cement
cars, but knowing the origins may help with modeling prospects. I have
been looking for something to use to haul around those beautiful
Anthracite Scale Models resin LCL cement canisters that would have run
on the New Haven. Apparently, these did make forays into NH country to
serve customers requiring less than a full covered hopper.

You can send the scan to me off line at tculotta at speedwitch dot com.

Thank you.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

In a message dated 12/10/03 3:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tculotta@... writes:

Does anyone know who the builder was for the DL&W's 68000 series of
40'2" IL 18-panel gons? These were built in 1916.

Standard Steel Car Company ....Mike

Ted, if you are interested in the cement gons you should get "Flags Diamonds and Statues" Vol 10 #3 (1992). The back issue cost me $5 a few years ago. It contained a five page article of the DL&W and LV Canister Gons. From what Chuck Y has said, I believe the same document is included in the article. The lead photo is an in service shot of DL&W 19936. I built a stand in model of an LV gon from an Athearn kit years ago following an article in MR.

Brian J Carlson
Cheektowaga NY

Hello

Can anyone please tell me if the Atlas/Peterson
gondolas are accurate for these DL&W cars?

Thabks,
Len Allman
Friend of Phoebe and Smiley





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The Atlas cars have rivets. The AC&F Berwick-built cars were welded in the
68500 - 68999 series were welded. The Atlas car was supposed patterned
after a PRR G31 but they didn't quite get it right.

Gene Deimling

Hello,again,Gene

Larry Berger, an ELHS member and pretty knowledgable
guy,claims that the O guage Atlas/Peterson gondola is
appropriate for a DL&W/EL prototype.Do you concur?I
couldn't find one in any of Larry DeYoung's books.

Best regards,
Len Allman





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The dies were done for the original Atlas O scale line back around 1970; Peterson arranged to have additional runs made using those dies after Atlas had pretty well given up marketing the line and custom lettering schemes, usually unique to Peterson sales, so I suppose it is possible to speak of Atlas-Peterson cars if one has any produced for Peterson, but the more common way is simply to call them Atlas.
Having said all that, I have repainted one and lettered it for Erie (using a CDS set); it is not exactly right but suits me as credible enough. Most of the STMFC list would not find many examples of lettering for this car accurate (including the original Atlas choices), but it is a decent-looking 52' general sort of mill gondola ca. 1950's if one is not too fastidious. A recurring matter of discussion among O scalers is the prototypes for the first Atlas models, and the consensus seems to be that most of the cars have no specific one. The brake gear on them is rather crude and grotesque, and the gondola in particular is a problem as the brake arrangement is 180 degrees off between the underframe and the end. In spite of all of that, I do have three or four gondolas repainted for various eastern roads ten or twelve of the boxcars, ditto, and an insulated boxcar waiting for some surgery some time down the road--all with somewhat improved details, but there are cost-benefit limits to re-working any inaccurate car.
Apart from older O scale kits and expensive brass, there aren't many alternatives to the Atlas mill gondolas. although Weaver has recently imported composite ones (which have their own issues).
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

From: Len Allman <allmansipe@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] DL&W 68000 series gons
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT)

Hello,again,Gene

Larry Berger, an ELHS member and pretty knowledgable
guy,claims that the O guage Atlas/Peterson gondola is
appropriate for a DL&W/EL prototype.Do you concur?I
couldn't find one in any of Larry DeYoung's books.

Best regards,
Len Allman





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Len:
I am not the expert that Larry is on EL but I do have a photo of the
car clearly showing the side ribs. The rib configuration and lack of
rivets are the major issues with the car. I believe that the Atlas
car is a foot short.
I would scratchbuild the car rather than try to deal with the
compromises. If you stand back three feet from the Atlas, you
probably would not be able to tell if it is incorrect or right.
I can't make a decision for you as to using the car. It is up to
your tastes and interests.

Gene Deimling
ELHS #2283

Justin Kahn wrote:

A recurring matter of discussion among O scalers is the prototypes for the
first Atlas models, and the consensus seems to be that most of the cars have
no specific one. The brake gear on them is rather crude and grotesque, and
the gondola in particular is a problem as the brake arrangement is 180
degrees off between the underframe and the end.

Is this not a pretty accurate PRR G31E? It sure matches photos (neglecting the brakes). And I have always been told that the Atlas O scale box car is a pretty accurate PRR X43C. Can anyone confirm or deny these allegations <g>?

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