On Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 02:53 PM, David Jobe, Sr. wrote:

Here's a bit more to add to your information from Mike Fortney who replied
on IT list.

"ITC boxcar series 400-499 were acquired by lease 11/3/63 from Chicago
Freight Car Co. Cars were originally PS-1s built for the Reading RR,
were rebuilt with strengthened under door side sill for ITC. Lease
expired 11/2/74.

David,
The acquisition from Chicago Freight Car Co. makes sense to me as they were into this in a big way at that time. However, Mr. Fortney's information is not correct.
I can say with certainty that the ITC box cars in question are not PS-1s. For starters, the first PS-1 was built in 1947 and this car was a former RDG car was built 1946. Secondly, RDG never bought any new PS-1s.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

David,
The acquisition from Chicago Freight Car Co. makes sense to me as they
were into this in a big way at that time. However, Mr. Fortney's
information is not correct.
I can say with certainty that the ITC box cars in question are not
PS-1s. For starters, the first PS-1 was built in 1947 and this car was
a former RDG car was built 1946. Secondly, RDG never bought any new
PS-1s.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Ed,
I stand corrected, ITC 8400-8459 series boxcars were the rebuilt
PS-1s, leased from Darby Co. in 1971 and painted in the ITC
yellow/green letter/red trucks scheme.

Mike Fortney

Ed and Ian,



Here's a bit more to add to your information from Mike Fortney who replied
on IT list.



"ITC boxcar series 400-499 were acquired by lease 11/3/63 from Chicago

Freight Car Co. Cars were originally PS-1s built for the Reading RR,

were rebuilt with strengthened under door side sill for ITC. Lease

expired 11/2/74.



(Source: Register of Rosters Freight Equipment, Dale Jenkins, 2003)"



In addition, here is one reference photo I located on the Fallen Flags site:



http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/itc/itc499ajs.jpg



HTH,

David Jobe



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From: Ed Hawkins [mailto:hawk0621@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ITC history requested




On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 08:53 PM, lamontc@... wrote:

Series is 400-499, not listed in the 10/63 ORER, 100
cars listed in the 7/64 issue. They're noted as 40'6"
cars, 10'6" IH, with 8' doors. There are no exact
matches listed under the Reading numbers at that time,
but there are a number of similar cars from about
104000 and up (I have no info as to when any of these
cars were built).

Bob and Ian,
Reading 104000-104699 was built by Reading in 1946, so I believe there
is a good chance the ITC car came from this group. When built this
series came with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends, 7-panel Superior doors,
Ajax hand brakes, Apex running boards and Duryea underframes, so these
items could be checked for a match with the ITC photo. A photo of RDG
104295 appears on page 69 of the Reading Color Guide to Freight and
Passenger Equipment, albeit a late photo for this group. Perhaps this
question is technically outside the bounds for discussion of this group
even though it pertains to a car built 1946. Presumably Mike will
comment if it is.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins






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On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 08:53 PM, lamontc@... wrote:

Series is 400-499, not listed in the 10/63 ORER, 100
cars listed in the 7/64 issue. They're noted as 40'6"
cars, 10'6" IH, with 8' doors. There are no exact
matches listed under the Reading numbers at that time,
but there are a number of similar cars from about
104000 and up (I have no info as to when any of these
cars were built).

Bob and Ian,
Reading 104000-104699 was built by Reading in 1946, so I believe there is a good chance the ITC car came from this group. When built this series came with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends, 7-panel Superior doors, Ajax hand brakes, Apex running boards and Duryea underframes, so these items could be checked for a match with the ITC photo. A photo of RDG 104295 appears on page 69 of the Reading Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, albeit a late photo for this group. Perhaps this question is technically outside the bounds for discussion of this group even though it pertains to a car built 1946. Presumably Mike will comment if it is.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

On 19-May-04, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kingman wrote:

I have a picture of an Illinois Terminal box car

numbered 428 taken about

1964. From the notes on the back of the picture, it

maybe an ex-Reading car built

11/46.

Does anyone have the history of this series and where

it came from?

Series is 400-499, not listed in the 10/63 ORER, 100
cars listed in the 7/64 issue. They're noted as 40'6"
cars, 10'6" IH, with 8' doors. There are no exact
matches listed under the Reading numbers at that time,
but there are a number of similar cars from about
104000 and up (I have no info as to when any of these
cars were built).

Ian & Katherina Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

I have a picture of an Illinois Terminal box car numbered 428 taken about
1964. From the notes on the back of the picture, it maybe an ex-Reading car built
11/46.

Does anyone have the history of this series and where it came from?

Thanks in advance.

Bob Kingman