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B&M #71000-72999 boxcars #71000-72999

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Mark Heiden wrote:

The cars the WAG bought from the B&M were XM-1s. The WAG started
buying these cars in 1958, and eventually acquired several hundred of
them. Don't know about that door though. All the XM-1s on the WAG
that I have seen had Youngstown doors versus the door on BM 71785. Is
the difference in doors a result of different orders? There also
appeared to be a difference in roofs on the XM-1s the WAG purchased.
Some cars had a roof that looked completely flat while others had a
roof with very prominent ribs at the panel joints.
Don Valentine replied:

It is a case of different orders and different rebuild dates for the
doors and, to some extent the roof as well. B&M #70400 - #70999 had the Youngstown door and ribless roof. B&M #71000 - #71950, built 10/29,
had the odd three panel door and ribless roof. B&M #72000 - #72999, built
2/30, and some rebuilds, had the Youngstown door and an eleven rib roof.
Some of the early Yankee Clipper models for these last cars have the wrong
number of roof ribs but Steve Funaro has been very good about sending
correct replacements when advised of the problem. If memory serves, those
cars of this type numbered below #71000 were renumbered. Tim Gilbert
probably has more on that than I do. But Uncle Warren G. Fancher's notes
indicate 130 of these cars as being sold to the WAG.
Don,

The history of B&M's 1929-1930 Boxcar purchases is:

1) In late 1929/early 1930, the B&M purchased 1,000 boxcars which were numbered in the #71000-71999 series. These cars had what the Class Card diagram called "ARA" doors and "ARA" roofs; the roofs were ribless and the doors were the peculiar looking three panel one which got the name "Reverse Creco" although Creco probably had nothing to do with their construction - the "Reverse Creco" term I believe was invented by Harry Frye, the late historian of the B&MRRHS. 25 of the cars were steel; the other 975 were single sheathed using the 1923 ARA design. 975 had B&M reporting marks while 25 had MTC (B&M's Mystic Terminal) Co.) marks per the following:

B&M #71000-71953 Single-sheathed
B&M #71954-71974 All-Steel
MTC #71975-71995 Single Sheathed
MTC #71996-71999 All-Steel

2) Later in 1930, another 1,000 boxcars were purchased: - this time, all were single sheathed, had Youngstown doors and Murphy Roofs (eleven ribs). These were numbered in B&M's #72000-72999 series.

3) Between the time of acquisition and 1955, many of the #71000's had their original doors replaced with Youngstowns. The original door hardware with seven bottom guides was retained - the #72000's had Youngstown Camel door hardware which had fewer bottom door guides - a spotting difference between the #71000's and #72000's even after 1,300 of the total 2,000 cars in the #71000-72999 series had been sold and leased back to the B&M in 1955-1956.

4) All surviving cars (about 1,975 of the original 2,000) were retrofitted with AB Brakes beginning in 1946. This retrofitting was completed in 1950.

5) Starting in July 1955 and continuing until November of that year, 500 of the cars, all single-sheathed, were sold to International Railway, refurbished, renumbered into the #70000-70499 series & leased back to the B&M for ten years. Part of the refurbishment included replacing whatever "Reverse Creco" (sic!) doors survived with Youngstowns. The cars selected for this sale/leaseback were random. For instance, #70000 was ex-#72872; #70001 was ex-#71034; #70329 was ex-#72005; #70345 was ex-MTC #71993; #70361 was ex #71003, etc..

6) Starting in December 1955 and continuing until May 1956, 500 cars were sold to the Hyman Michaels Company, refurbished, leased back to the B&M for ten years and renumbered into the #70500-70999 series. #70500-70987 (488 cars) were single-sheathed and the last 12 were all-steel and renumbered into the #70988-70999 series. Refurbishing included the replacing of whatever "reverse Creco" (sic!) doors survived with Youngstowns. The cars selected were randomly chosen. For instance, #70500 was ex-#72972; #70507 was ex-#71865; #70747 was ex-MTC #71976: #70799 was ex-#72000; #70896 was ex #71004; #70986 was ex-#72865; #70987 was ex-#71756; #70995 (steel) was ex-#71957; #70996 (steel) was ex-MTC #71998, etc..

7) Starting in May 1956 and continuing to December 1956, 300 cars, all single-sheathed, were sold to the Hyman Micheals Co., refurbished, renumbered into the #69700-69999 series and leased back to the B&M for ten years. Part of the refurbishment included replacing whatever "Reverse Creco" (sic!) doors survived with Youngstowns. The cars selected for this sale/leaseback were random. For instance, #69700 was ex-#72378; #69701 was ex-#71182; #69779 was ex-#72006; #69813 was ex-#71007; #69932 was ex-MTC #71977; #69998 was ex-#71561; #69999 was ex-72329, etc..

8) 100 randomly selected cars not subject to the 1955-1956 sale-leasebacks were sold to the FDDM&S between 1956 and 1959.

9) 67 randomly selected cars not subject to the 1955-1956 sale-leasebacks were sold to the WAG in 1959; two more in 1959 & another four in 1960 through February 1960 - after which I don't have car-by-car records of B&M's retirements, wrecks, and sales. I assume that more cars not subject to the 1955-1956 sales-leasebacks were sold in 1960 - in the April 1961 ORER, there were 150 cars listed in WAG's #5000-5150 series, and I assume all of them came from the non-sale-leaseback cars.

10) After the leases expired in 1955 and 1956, I assume that the WAG bought more B&M boxcars, but I have no records to determine how many. Perhaps, someone can trace this through the ORER's.

Hope this straightens out the numbering history of B&M's #71000-72999 series through renumberings, refurbishments, etc.. No, Don, I did not include the fifteen conversions into stock cars in 1945 from the #72000 series. None of them were sold or leased back nor were any sold to the WAG so far as I know - in 1955, eight of the fourteen survivors were converted back to boxcars, and six to wheel cars.

Tim Gilbert