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ID Help on cars and site c.1938
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Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc. <elden.gatwood@...>
Folks;
I could use the help of you esteemed experts, on identifying a few cars, and potentially any accompanying information you might have. The photo is at the U of Pittsburgh's library site (I'm adding the spaces): H t t p : / / I m a g e s . l I b r a r y . p i t t . e d u Then go to the "Pittsburgh Photographers" folder and search for image 715.3841794.CP or "Warehouses Near P&LE Railroad". No, the gent is NOT waiting for a commuter! The reason I am so interested in this shot is that it is the only photo I have ever seen of the PRR's 21st St Yard on the South Side of Pittsburgh, particularly during this early time period. A little background: You are looking over the P&LE main at a torn-up interchange between them and the Allegheny & South Side Railroad (necessitated by the sewer line replacement). The A&SS ends right here with their interchange with the tracks of the PRR yard behind (maybe where the hopper is spotted). The PRR's 21st Yard curves around from its origin behind that black crane structure (in front of Consolidated Ice) to out of sight to the right edge of the photo. Most tracks in that yard stub ended. Superior Iron & Wire Works/Levinson Steel Co. in the center and right background owns those cranes behind the Southern boxcar (they made trusses and supplied structural steel to local manufacturers). The little structure behind the sewer formwork in center left may be the 21st Yard office. The freight cars are on the tracks of this PRR yard. OK: What do you know about SOU 311006? Is it wood sheathed? Does any one make a model of this car? I doubt it was in auto service this day, as there are no auto unloading facilities on this branch. Gimbels Home Furnishing may be a clue, but there was also Pittsburgh Terminal and Transfer out of sight to the right (at the end of the A&SS). There was also at least one lumber company off to the right. What do you think? What do you know about URR (blocked first digit)281? It appears to have 13 ribs and a box end sill. Can you see anything inside this gon? Any ideas on how to create one of these? Are there any photos/drawings of this class? What color were URR gons in this era? And finally, what is the PRR hopper on the far left? H21? GLA? Any other ideas? Thanks! Elden Gatwood |
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Elden Gatwood asked:
"What do you know about SOU 311006? Is it wood sheathed? Does any one make a model of this car? I doubt it was in auto service this day, as there are no auto unloading facilities on this branch. Gimbels Home Furnishing may be a clue, but there was also Pittsburgh Terminal and Transfer out of sight to the right (at the end of the A&SS). There was also at least one lumber company off to the right. What do you think?" SOU 311000-311499, double-sheathed auto/furniture boxcar, "squashed" Dreadnaught ends, and Hutchins roof. Appears to be an Automobile/Furniture version of 1925 ARA DS design. The Sunshine 37.x series models these cars (or a similar number series). If I were a betting man, I'd put money on this car at the lumber company or the furniture warehouse. "And finally, what is the PRR hopper on the far left? H21? GLA?" With only an end view, it's a toss-up. The trucks look more massive than a 2D-F8 and COULD be Crown trucks, making this an H21A, but that's a real SWAG. Ben Hom |
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Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
Eldon,
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Using the blowup feature of the image browser, you can clearly see the car is wood, double sheathed, with a belt rail. It has Youngstown ends and hand grabs rather than ladders. It was built in 2-30. I can't think of anyone who makes an HO kit for a double sheathed 50' 12 foot door, car. regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc. [mailto:elden.gatwood@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:22 PM To: 'STMFC@...'; PRR-Modeling@... Subject: [STMFC] RE: ID Help on cars and site c.1938 Folks; I could use the help of you esteemed experts, on identifying a few cars, and potentially any accompanying information you might have. The photo is at the U of Pittsburgh's library site (I'm adding the spaces): H t t p : / / I m a g e s . l I b r a r y . p i t t . e d u Then go to the "Pittsburgh Photographers" folder and search for image 715.3841794.CP or "Warehouses Near P&LE Railroad". No, the gent is NOT waiting for a commuter! The reason I am so interested in this shot is that it is the only photo I have ever seen of the PRR's 21st St Yard on the South Side of Pittsburgh, particularly during this early time period. A little background: You are looking over the P&LE main at a torn-up interchange between them and the Allegheny & South Side Railroad (necessitated by the sewer line replacement). The A&SS ends right here with their interchange with the tracks of the PRR yard behind (maybe where the hopper is spotted). The PRR's 21st Yard curves around from its origin behind that black crane structure (in front of Consolidated Ice) to out of sight to the right edge of the photo. Most tracks in that yard stub ended. Superior Iron & Wire Works/Levinson Steel Co. in the center and right background owns those cranes behind the Southern boxcar (they made trusses and supplied structural steel to local manufacturers). The little structure behind the sewer formwork in center left may be the 21st Yard office. The freight cars are on the tracks of this PRR yard. OK: What do you know about SOU 311006? Is it wood sheathed? Does any one make a model of this car? I doubt it was in auto service this day, as there are no auto unloading facilities on this branch. Gimbels Home Furnishing may be a clue, but there was also Pittsburgh Terminal and Transfer out of sight to the right (at the end of the A&SS). There was also at least one lumber company off to the right. What do you think? What do you know about URR (blocked first digit)281? It appears to have 13 ribs and a box end sill. Can you see anything inside this gon? Any ideas on how to create one of these? Are there any photos/drawings of this class? What color were URR gons in this era? And finally, what is the PRR hopper on the far left? H21? GLA? Any other ideas? Thanks! Elden Gatwood ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/9MtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links |
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Andy Miller wrote:
I can't think of anyone who makes an HO kit for a double sheathed 50' 12 foot door, car. Except that the Southern car in question is a 40 ft car. Try the Sunshine 37.x series of kits. Ben Hom |
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major_denis_bloodnok <smokeandsteam@...>
OK: What do you know about SOU 311006?<< It's a standard Southern railway wood sheathed DS automobile/furniture car of the same general type offered by Sunshine as a resin kit. In this case it is owned by the Alabama Great Southern as evidenced by the number series and the small "AGS" at the top of the side above the dimensional data. My guess is that it could be in furniture service – Southern served factories in North Carolina among other places Aidrian |
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James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
And finally, what is the PRR hopper on the far left? H21? GLA?Gla. End sheet's not tall enough for an H21. David Thompson |
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Gatwood, Elden -- Tt, Inc. <elden.gatwood@...>
Thanks to all;
You provided some great feedback. I really appreciate it. It seems you got the box nailed, and a good response on the GLA. That URR gon remains a mystery.... And 21st St. Yard? Another one of my lifetime research projects! Elden |
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