I agree with you 100%, this is a hobby not a job. This is something we do
because we enjoy it and it gives us pleasure and relaxation. Attitude and skill
are important whatever we are talking about. Too many of us have forgotten
that "Model Railroading is Fun".

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div, in the 60s & 70s

I think some of you have forgotten that model railroding is a hobby!
It doesn't matter if you run RTR or all scratch built rolling stock.
This is just something we do because we like it! I got started with
RTR, Tyco & AHM (35 yrs. ago) now its mostly resin kits. I try
to "sale" this hobby to everybody I come in contact with. I tell them
they don't have to build kits to get started. If you get the right
attitude you'll develope your skills.
Happy modeling!

Jeff Coleman

At 09:35 PM 8/28/2004 +0000, you wrote:

I think some of you have forgotten that model railroding is a hobby!
It doesn't matter if you run RTR or all scratch built rolling stock.
This is just something we do because we like it! I got started with
RTR, Tyco & AHM (35 yrs. ago) now its mostly resin kits. I try
to "sale" this hobby to everybody I come in contact with. I tell them
they don't have to build kits to get started. If you get the right
attitude you'll develope your skills.

I've still got a bunch of Athearn cars that allowed me to build up a couple of trains that I can run around the layout while modified and kit built cars show up as replacements, at least when I had a layout..., at least soon I have temp. track down when the new benchwork is complete.

Alan

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I suspect that RTR models is one of the main reasons for so many
train shows.It provides one with the opportunity to upgrade. :- ) Armand
Premo

I find that by skipping the train shows, I have much more time for
modeling <G>
Jerry in Fla

At 03:01 PM 8/29/2004 +0000, you wrote:

I find that by skipping the train shows, I have much more time for
modeling <G>

My god !, if I did that, I'd miss all my train friends.....

Alan

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-------------- Original message from tgregmrtn@...: --------------
We all seem to want to compare our hobby to others like Military Modelers for
example and the show how model railroading offers more of a challenge because
they just produce static models and we don't?... Sorry I know one individual
who does just that and then, well you know the rest of the story, you've all
seen the For Sale signs...

The point we all miss is that it is how we choose to spend our time in OUR
hobby. How much of that time is enlisted in research and what is spent in
modeling or how much is just spent at the computer as a cyber-modeler... YIKES!

Marty sez...

" I'm speaking of a "real" model railroad of any size) requires a level of
commitment, energy, time, money, knowledge, and sheer determination that
deserves to be praised, not ridiculed because there are other, better modelers who
paint weld lines on static airplanes."

First of all there are not many military aircraft with weld lines that I can
think of, plenty of seams and flushed rivets though ... and yes they do
"enhance" those seams just as I have for years on my Model Railroad equipment, but
hey, I stole it from the armor guys... #^) But let me ask you all, do you
think that there is any less commitment on the part of a Military Modeler who
chooses to spend his hobby hours modeling just to compete in the IPMS Nationals as
my nephew has done just recently and for his commitment he won first place in
aircraft and second place in armor at the IPMS Nationals 2004. Oh yea, he is
about 13 years of age. I don't know of too many guys that have built models
with scale interiors in their freight equipment, except a couple... Oranges was
the subject I think ... simulated floor trusses ... and ice bunkers with
simulated ice ... now that's a level of achievement not forged every day by most
model railroaders... #^)

Jeeze, half of us here aren't willing to install train lines and brake
rigging we want it either "built up" or just cut it from the sprue, screw that Cal
Scale Brake Gear set...

Jeeze, you guys are a hard crowd to please ... and the line is long and you
just stand there facing each other off... Go back to the bench and build
something and quit acting Holier than thou... And in your off time pick up a book
and research your Railroad and if you don't have the book ... buy it! Invest in
your free time and your hobby. Or better yet write an article about something
you can share with us and we can spend our time reading... "FEED YOUR HEAD..."

Greg "RATSO" Martin





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For Greg "RATSO" Martin - Your comments are right on target ! No hobby or any other worthwhile endeavor needs elitists ! - Hank Englisch

To all,

I feel compelled to comment on this thread/topic, because there has
been so many responses to this subject-matter.

I have been building models for about the last 40 years. I have
built trains, planes, ships, army tanks, ad infinitum,...but, mostly
railroad models & layouts.

I first started building in the railroad circa of authors/craftsmen
such as John Allen, Mel Thornburg, Gib Kennedy, Jack Work, Paul
Larson, and many other fine builders. I found their work most
inspiring and instructional. I wanted to be like them.

I grew up in Chicago, Illinois, and used to go frequently to the
Museum of Science and Industry there, and see the magnificent Santa
Fe layout and all of the ship models, etc., that were there. I was
always awe-inspired by what I'd seen others do.

It took me a few years to hone my skills in model-building &
painting & weathering, but I learned from all that I'd admirably
seen.

Currently I am building a "Square-rigger" sailing ship of large
scale. It includes every pulley and line that a ship would have.

I want to build a model of a Sherman Tank again, with all of the
weathering and detail that I can muster.

I want to build (again!!) at PT-17 biplane in large scale.(US Navy
version.)

I would imagine/presume, that most of us in this group have done
likewise over the years, but that our final recourse is always back
to the trains again.

I consider model railroading to be, "3 dimensional, animated art",
and truly the finest of all hobbys. It covers every tool, wood-
working, electrical, painting, etc., (as we all know), much moreso
than about any other "hobby".

When I have ventured out onto these others "limbs" of model-
building, I always revert back to railroads as my really
true "love". But, I do not foresake the other fine sources of model-
building by others that I've seen.

As far as running "tin-plate" goes, I know I got my start in model-
trains watching our Lionel & Marx trains run under the Christmas
tree, as probably most of us have. Every time I see them today, it
reminds me of those finer times of my youth.

I think that "attitude" will produce the skills, with time. I know
it did with me. But, any aspect of model-railroading is fine with
me. I though too, prefer the "fine-art" of model-railroading, &
model-building, whatever that finally is??

Paul Hillman