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UTLX X3
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
I'm looking at a drawing of a UTLX 10k tank car as drawn in the 3/85 issue
of Mainline Moderler. I assume it's probably close enough to being correct to be useful (correct?).... Anyway, my question to the list is this: what happens to the X3 design when the tank is smaller, say 8k for instance? Does the underframe get shorter or is it simply a smaller radius tank? Same question for 6k tank. Thanks, Dave Nelson


Steve and Barb Hile
The answer is that it depends. The MM drawing is not perfect, but pretty close. The X3 design did evolve over time and much of the details of how and why seem to have faded into the mist. It certainly appears that in the early design the 8000 and 10000 gallon cars seem to have shared a common underframe while the 6500 gallon car was "shorter" (truck centers closer together.) So the tank diameter for the 8000 gallon car was less than the 10000 gallon car.
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In later incarnations (i.e. the 1937 build by ACF, which included both 6500 and 8000 gallon cars) the truck centers were identical and the tank diameters varied. So with this build (car numbers 1700017799) the tank diameter of the 8000 gallon tank was virtually the same as typical 10000 gallon cars. Hence the Sunshine kits have two basic truck center arrangements and 4 different tanks  6500, long 8000, squat 8000 and 10000 gallons. Note also that the later incarnations did not have the full wood porches that the earlier cars had. There are some photos of a 17xxx car on the Steam Era Freight Cars website. I hope this helps. Steve Hile
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From: Dave Nelson To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: [STMFC] UTLX X3 I'm looking at a drawing of a UTLX 10k tank car as drawn in the 3/85 issue of Mainline Moderler. I assume it's probably close enough to being correct to be useful (correct?).... Anyway, my question to the list is this: what happens to the X3 design when the tank is smaller, say 8k for instance? Does the underframe get shorter or is it simply a smaller radius tank? Same question for 6k tank. Thanks, Dave Nelson Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT  Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFCunsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
Yes, thanks Steve. Much appreciated.
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Uhh, different question, I think you'll know this one too: Were pre WWII RI boxcars about the same paint color as post war? Dave Nelson
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From: Steve Hile [mailto:shile@...] I hope this helps. Steve Hile


Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Steve Hile responds about UTLX X3 tank cars with:
"It certainly appears that in the early design the 8000 and 10000 gallon cars seem to have shared a common underframe while the 6500 gallon car was "shorter" (truck centers closer together.) So the tank diameter for the 8000 gallon car was less than the 10000 gallon car." OK...I follow that. The 8K and 10K cars used the same frame but had different sized tanks. Makes sense. "In later incarnations (i.e. the 1937 build by ACF, which included both 6500 and 8000 gallon cars) the truck centers were identical and the tank diameters varied." OK. I got that...I think. Same as above except now we're talking about 6500 and 8K cars. "So with this build (car numbers 1700017799) the tank diameter of the 8000 gallon tank was virtually the same as typical 10000 gallon cars." Huh? That one sailed right over my head. Why does this follow from what you said earlier? Mike Brock...confused [ not difficult these days ]


Bob Kutella
 In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@b...> wrote:
Steve Hile responds about UTLX X3 tank cars with:gallon cars seem to have shared a common underframe while the 6500 gallon car was "shorter" (truck centers closer together.) So the tank diameter for the 8000 gallon car was less than the 10000 gallon car." Or come look at the real thing, take pics, measurements, answer questions. UTLX 17222 is preserved at the Illinois Railway Museum. Bob Kutella


Steve and Barb Hile
 In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@b...> wrote:
Steve Hile responds about UTLX X3 tank cars with:diameter of the 8000 gallon tank was virtually the same as typical"So with this build (car numbers 1700017799) the tank 10000 gallon cars." from what you said earlier? Sorry, Mike, I was trying to be brief. Here is some more information from my Sunshine Naperville seminar last year. In the 1922 CBC (and reprinted in the TSC (#12, I think)) are drawings showing 10000 gallon and 6500 gallon X3's. The 10K is the one labeled as Canadian Car and Foundry and doesn't mention UTLX, but is the X3 design. The 6.5K design has 21'6" truck centers and a 76 inch tank ID. The 10K car is 87 inches ID and 28 feet truck centers. In 1937, ACF built 6.5K and 8K cars to UTLX design and GA drawings can be purchased from the NMT in St. Louis. The 8k cars were numbered 17000  17799 and at least two examples remain in museums in the midwest (IRM and North Freedom.) They were 85 inches ID on the tanks and had 21'6" truck centers. The 6.5K cars also had 21'6" truck centers but 76 inch tank ID. The 6.5K cars were numbered 7500  9499, examples of which also survive. Note the early and late 6.5K gallon cars were virtually identical, except for the running board/porch configuration. The missing link is hard dimensional data on the longer, thinner 8000 gallon cars from the earlier period. I hope that this is a bit clearer. Steve Hile

