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Genesee Brewing Company Reefer
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John Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
Anyone have any ideas where I can find an HO scale Genesee Brewing
Company reefer? I thought Walthers produced one years ago, but I can't find it. John |
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John, Walthers did produce one years ago from the old T-M molds. I
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picked one up a few years back at a show, for kicks. In Western New York, you know it a good bar if there is a Genny sign in the window. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY --- In STMFC@..., "John Bartolotto" <jsbart@p...> wrote:
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John & Sue Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
Brian,
Thanks! I knew I wasn't imagining things. Any idea where I can get one or find the decals for it? I intend on modeling it in Z scale. John |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Do we know if there is any authenticity at all of this Genesee scheme?
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Anthony Thompson wrote:
Do we know if there is any authenticity at all of this GeneseeThe November 1925, January 1938, April 1949 & April 1955 ORER's did not list any Genesee Beer reefers. Were the reefers owned by a private car line who leased reefers to Genesee? I doubt that because Genny was & is somewhat a local beer having limited distribution. Tim Gilbert |
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John & Sue Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
Tony,
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I'm not sure. I'm modeling the NYC circa 1930's Rochester, NY area and was intrigued about this Genesee reefer on a beer reefer car web site. Any help would be appreciated. John -----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson [mailto:thompson@...] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 7:59 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Genesee Brewing Company Reefer Do we know if there is any authenticity at all of this Genesee scheme? Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129i2l59l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1099854154/A=2343726/R=0/SIG=12is4bn0e/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1099767754669448> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129i2l59l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1099854154/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12is4bn0e/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1099767754669448> Get unlimited calls to <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129i2l59l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1099854154/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12is4bn0e/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1099767754669448> U.S./Canada <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129i2l59l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1099854154/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12is4bn0e/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1099767754669448> <http://view.atdmt.com/VON/view/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=10997677 54669448> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2343726/rand=842013861> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. |
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Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
John,
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What's the reporting mark of this circa 1930's Genesee reefer? Tim Gilbert John & Sue Bartolotto wrote: Tony, |
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Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
MDT leased a small amount of wood cars to Genesee Brewing co in 1935-36 under the GBCX reporting marks
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Roger H. On Nov 6, 2004, at 4:34 PM, Tim Gilbert wrote:
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Wow, this generated more discussion than I expected. I happen to have
the Walthers car handy and it is a wood sided car (not that that means it is correct) and the reporting marks are GBCX 107. Other data includes CAPY 7000 lbs LD LMT 80500 lbs WT 51500 E.R. 11-33 Rebuilt 8-33 (to the right of the above data) It Sides are painted white, ends and roof brown, Lettering on the sides is black with a red GENESEE and red cicle around a black circle on the right side. Maybe someone can find it in a 30's ORER. The 1960 and later Genesee and Wyoming cars are from a totally different railroad. Keep in mind this is an earlier T-M car from and era when Walthers didn't really care about protype correctness. Brian carlson Cheektowaga NY --- In STMFC@..., Roger Hinman <rhinman@r...> wrote: MDT leased a small amount of wood cars to Genesee Brewing co in1935-36 under the GBCX reporting marks |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Wow, this generated more discussion than I expected. I happen to haveAfter 1934, the ICC decision would not have allowed new billboard reefer paint (though existing ones were grandfathered two more years). Roger Hinman identified the Genesee lease as 1935-36. This suggests to me that the paint scheme on this model is bogus. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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John & Sue Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
Thanks guys! Great info.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson [mailto:thompson@...] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:19 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Genesee Brewing Company Reefer Wow, this generated more discussion than I expected. I happen to haveAfter 1934, the ICC decision would not have allowed new billboard reefer paint (though existing ones were grandfathered two more years). Roger Hinman identified the Genesee lease as 1935-36. This suggests to me that the paint scheme on this model is bogus. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129b12si5/M=294855.5468653.6549235.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1099902176/A=2376776/R=0/SIG=11ldm1jvc/*http:/promo tions.yahoo.com/ydomains2004/index.html> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=294855.5468653.6549235.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2376776/rand=630506565> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. |
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Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
To help referee, I've just uploaded a poor scan of a xerox of a newspaper article showing GBCX101 to the files section. The caption states
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the car was built in 1933 which I have never believed since it is a 1920s M4. The rebuild data stated below concurs with this thinking. The paint scheme in black and white appears similar to that described in the Walthers car below. Jack Amerine in his write up on MDT many years ago mentioned that Walther's had a wonderful photo library that many of their decals were based on. When I attended Richard Hendricson's talk on Billboard reefers at Naperville, I believe it was stated the law stopped one from advertising products that weren't carried; in this case as long as beer was the product being carried, it would not violate that criteria. Not fact, just an opinion on what I think I heard. The dates given for service(1935-36) are when the reporting marks show in the ORERs. By the 1930s I believe the ORERs were only being updated once a year/ Roger H. On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:08 AM, John & Sue Bartolotto wrote:
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Roger Hinman wrote:
When I attended Richard Hendricson's talk on Billboard reefers atWhat Richard said is that the cargo was ONE criterion for the ICC advertising restrictions. There were others too, primarily the banning of the provision by the lessor of free paint jobs for the lessee's product, at no charge for the advertising value. Whether MDT was in that game, I don't know; URTX and GARX had the biggest fleets of cars prepared that way. And the permission for limited advertising was not clear for a few years; in the mid to late 1930s everyone's scheme was VERY simple. Thus I continue to doubt the timing of the supposed Genesee beer scheme, but of course am open to specific proof. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
Another possibility is the paint scheme shown
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was done for publicity and the actual cars in service did not carry it. I thought I did pretty good to find any photo; finding one in a real consist will be a real challenge Roger H On Nov 8, 2004, at 1:25 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
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lrkdbn
Clover House makes lettering for the Genesee Brewing Co
of Rochester NY. Russ Clover kindly sent me a scan of the car. It appears to be an MDT Bettendorf underframe 40' car of the type built ca. 1913-1917 (2 equal corner straps,rebuilt with 6- hinge door instead of 8-hinge door). In the Clover House catalogue it is incorrectly referred to as a 36' car. Color was listed as yellow, but I bet it was more likely white, with red ends and roof. Larry King |
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Schuyler Larrabee
Larry King (!) wrote:
Brewing Co of Rochester NY. Russ Clover kindly sent me a scanof the car. It appears to be an MDT Bettendorf underframe40' car of the type built ca. 1913-1917 (2 equal cornerstraps,rebuilt with 6- hinge door instead of 8-hinge door). In theClover House catalogue it is incorrectly referred to as a 36'car. Color was listed as yellow, but I bet it was morelikely white, with red ends and roof. Larry, did Russ send you a scan of his diagram, or of a photo of a real car? SGL |
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John & Sue Bartolotto <jsbart@...>
Thanks Larry!
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-----Original Message-----
From: lrkdbn [mailto:lrkdbn@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:04 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Genesee Brewing Company Reefer Clover House makes lettering for the Genesee Brewing Co of Rochester NY. Russ Clover kindly sent me a scan of the car. It appears to be an MDT Bettendorf underframe 40' car of the type built ca. 1913-1917 (2 equal corner straps,rebuilt with 6- hinge door instead of 8-hinge door). In the Clover House catalogue it is incorrectly referred to as a 36' car. Color was listed as yellow, but I bet it was more likely white, with red ends and roof. Larry King Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129en865l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1100135023/A=2343726/R=0/SIG=12ibfe2oc/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1100048623641384> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129en865l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1100135023/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12ibfe2oc/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1100048623641384> Get unlimited calls to <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129en865l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1100135023/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12ibfe2oc/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1100048623641384> U.S./Canada <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129en865l/M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705169725:HM/EXP=1100135023/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12ibfe2oc/*http:/clk.a tdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1100048623641384> <http://view.atdmt.com/VON/view/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=11000486 23641384> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=281955.5530326.6602771.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2343726/rand=638025733> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. |
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lrkdbn
--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote: Larry King (!) wrote:It was a scan of the real car-Roger Hinman has a better quality oneBrewing Co of that he posted to the STMFC Files. Larry King |
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