Hermann Jahn from Hameln in Germany has a fairly extensive website
concerning trucks. He labels arch bar trucks as 'diamond.' The
thrust of his site is those trucks used on European freight and
passenger cars but since some US trucks found their way to Europe
these are represented too. The site is in German which limits its
utility to a small segment of this group. I thought some of you
might be interested. http://people.freenet.de/drehgestelle/
Gene Green

Thanks for the link.

If you go to Google and click on language tools (also available through the
google toolbar if you use that) you can get a decent translation of the
site.

Pete

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From: Gene Green [mailto:lgreen@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:24 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Trucks (Drehgestelle) in German website


Hermann Jahn from Hameln in Germany has a fairly extensive website
concerning trucks.  He labels arch bar trucks as 'diamond.'  The
thrust of his site is those trucks used on European freight and
passenger cars but since some US trucks found their way to Europe
these are represented too.  The site is in German which limits its
utility to a small segment of this group.  I thought some of you
might be interested.  http://people.freenet.de/drehgestelle/
Gene Green

In a message dated 11/9/2004 2:10:11 PM Mountain Standard Time,
bakert@... writes:
Gene,

Die Website von Hermann Jahn ist einfach hervorragend! Ein klares Beispiel
der technischen Fertigkeiten der Deutschen. Ich werde das alles downloaden,
wenn ich dafuer Zeit habe. Da git's eine schoene Menge zu lesen und verdauen.
Danke fuer den Hinweis.

Tom

Nine sprig e de Deutsche! <G>

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

Gene Green wrote:

Hermann Jahn from Hameln in Germany has a fairly extensive website
concerning trucks. He labels arch bar trucks as 'diamond.'

In the American literature, "diamond arch-bar trucks" are just one of many designs. Shapes (and number) of the bars varied widely among designs, as did bolsters, spring groups, etc. To call all arch-bar trucks "diamond" (if Jahn does so) is on a par with calling all cast-steel U-frame trucks "Bettendorf."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Gene,

Die Website von Hermann Jahn ist einfach hervorragend! Ein klares Beispiel der technischen Fertigkeiten der Deutschen. Ich werde das alles downloaden, wenn ich dafuer Zeit habe. Da git's eine schoene Menge zu lesen und verdauen. Danke fuer den Hinweis.

Tom

________________________________

From: Gene Green [mailto:lgreen@...]
Sent: Tue 11/9/2004 11:23 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Trucks (Drehgestelle) in German website





Hermann Jahn from Hameln in Germany has a fairly extensive website
concerning trucks. He labels arch bar trucks as 'diamond.' The
thrust of his site is those trucks used on European freight and
passenger cars but since some US trucks found their way to Europe
these are represented too. The site is in German which limits its
utility to a small segment of this group. I thought some of you
might be interested. http://people.freenet.de/drehgestelle/
Gene Green







Yahoo! Groups Links

The Website of Hermann Jahn is simple protruding! A clear example of the
technical talents of the Germans. I become that all downloaden, if I have
for it time. Since git's a beautiful quantity to read and digest. Thanks
for the reference.


"simple protruding"?
--
Brian Ehni

Brian,

Sorry I thought I was sending the e-mail to Gene alone. Yes, "hervorragen" can in some contexts mean "protruding". It also means "outstanding" as in the expression "eine hervorragende Leistung."

Tom

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From: Brian Paul Ehni [mailto:behni@...]
Sent: Tue 11/9/2004 5:11 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trucks (Drehgestelle) in German website




The Website of Hermann Jahn is simple protruding! A clear example of the
technical talents of the Germans. I become that all downloaden, if I have
for it time. Since git's a beautiful quantity to read and digest. Thanks
for the reference.


"simple protruding"?
--
Brian Ehni

From: Thomas Baker <bakert@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:01:51 -0500
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Trucks (Drehgestelle) in German website


Gene,

Die Website von Hermann Jahn ist einfach hervorragend! Ein klares Beispiel
der technischen Fertigkeiten der Deutschen. Ich werde das alles downloaden,
wenn ich dafuer Zeit habe. Da git's eine schoene Menge zu lesen und verdauen.
Danke fuer den Hinweis.

Tom

________________________________

From: Gene Green [mailto:lgreen@...]
Sent: Tue 11/9/2004 11:23 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Trucks (Drehgestelle) in German website





Hermann Jahn from Hameln in Germany has a fairly extensive website
concerning trucks. He labels arch bar trucks as 'diamond.' The
thrust of his site is those trucks used on European freight and
passenger cars but since some US trucks found their way to Europe
these are represented too. The site is in German which limits its
utility to a small segment of this group. I thought some of you
might be interested. http://people.freenet.de/drehgestelle/
Gene Green

Yahoo! Groups Links

I was making more of a comment on the translation skills (?) of Google's
website. I certainly got the gist of your comments!

8^)
--
Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@c...> wrote:

I was making more of a comment on the translation skills (?) of

Google's website. I certainly got the gist of your comments!

8^)
--
Brian Ehni

To those few who may be interested in translating parts of the German
site may I recommend http://translator.abacho.de/translate.phtml?
ab_get_url= which is pretty good or http://translation2.paralink.com/
which I find to be somewhat better. Neither site should be expected
to handle the railroad jargon. Hermann Jahn speaks some English and
is interested in discussing the topics with Americans with similar
interests. He is anxious to learn.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:
...

In the American literature, "diamond arch-bar trucks" are just
one of many designs. Shapes (and number) of the bars varied widely
among designs, as did bolsters, spring groups, etc. To call all
arch-bar trucks "diamond" (if Jahn does so) is on a par with
calling all cast-steel U-frame trucks "Bettendorf."

Tony,

Hermann writes:
"Die Bezeichnung "Diamond" leitet sich von der Form ab, die die
beiden Flacheisen zur Drehgestellmitte hin bilden: eine Raute,
englisch "diamond". In Nordamerika hat sich die Bezeichnung "diamond"
wieder verloren, gängig ist heute der Begriff "archbar truck". "

He makes a reference to the original sideframe shape, a diamond,
using this for a general classification. Then he mentions that the US
use of diamond was done away with and has become "arch bar".

He is not digging very deeply into foreign use of terminology because
his goal is to show European truck design and use.

But I think he is open to suggestions to improve his presentation.

HTH
Manfred

Manfred Lorenz wrote:

He is not digging very deeply into foreign use of terminology because
his goal is to show European truck design and use.
But I think he is open to suggestions to improve his presentation.

I understand your point, Manfred. Maybe you could pass on my comments to him.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history