Date
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More old photos
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Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Sorry for the interruption - but some of these are just too nice not to share...
For those who went into the Utah Shipler collection and DIDN'T look at the panoramic collection, you missed out. The description say "the beauty of the intermountain west in panoramic photos". Well if you are a mine lover, a railroad lover or a truck lover I suppose that is so. You'll also find for example a lot full of PIE trailers and cabs from 1946 http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/htmldoc.exe?CISOROOT=/USHS_Shipler&CISOPTR=9902 But there is the Gold Coast Limited, there are a few UP photos, there are A LOT of mine photos, and a lot of general railroad photos masquerading as mine load photos. You won't find nice close ups, but you will find some great scenes and some great ideas. And you will see some cars there that just don't seem to be in the right place. Searching is a bit harder, but it's worth while taking your time looking at some of the coal and iron mining operations. There are some hoopers in the iron mining scenes that are kind of useful. Your mileage may vary, and I know this is all western stuff, but there are some neat photos in this part of the collection. Besides, taking a look at the Bingham hole in the ground with all those trains running around the bowl is really neat.... |
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Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
Oh - for some nice tanks, check out photo 142
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At 09:14 PM 11/20/2004, you wrote:
Sorry for the interruption - but some of these are just too nice not to |
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You'll also find for example a lot full of PIE trailers and cabs from 1946 P-I-E truck terminal http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/35721179102002_39222000706841.jpg Oil refinery... (north of Salt Lake City) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/17323172082002_39222000702980.jpg http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/98322172082002_39222000702972.jpg Utah Apex mine... (defies description) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/75222172082002_39222000702964.jpg http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/12819172592002_39222000706221.jpg Texaco oil dealer... (neat as a pin) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88716182862002_164412286200239222000702956.jpg Union Portland Cement, Devil's Slide... http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/74214172592002_39222000706171.jpg Gold Coast at Salt Lake City... http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/48314182862002_144412286200239222000702790.jpg Castle Valley train... http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/47133214112002_39222000728423.jpg Citizen's Coal Company... (before and after) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/4415182862002_144412286200239222000702816.jpg http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/64121172082002_39222000702832.jpg Magna-Arthur Mills... (is this what they call a stamp mill?) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/9052172592002_39222000700869.jpg Moffat Road, Colorado... (is this Rollins Pass?) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/18520179102002_39222000706833.jpg UP in Weber Canyon... (musta been a washout) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/9218179102002_39222000706791.jpg "Cudahy Crossing"... (FGE reefers on D&RGW. Look at those brake beams.) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/29615151482002_39222000700489.jpg I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it? http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg Tim O. |
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Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
Tim O'Connor says ...
I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg Hi Tim, Think Convair ... That is my first guess ... DC-3s were tail draggers and the animal in question certainly ain't a tail dragger. Convairs were tricycles. They had a nose wheel. Oops, let's think about this again. Maybe it is a DC-bigger than 3 - everything from Douglas after the three had a nose wheel. So does that make it a DC-4? I don't know. It is obvious that the airplane in the photo has four engines (I think that Convairs of the era only had two engines) and this dude has got a nose wheel. Well, DC-4, DC-6 ??? Pretty sure it ain't a DC-7. Roger Miener at Tacoma WA |
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Old Sourdough <pmeaton@...>
At 10:31 PM 11/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor says ...===================================I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg Roger, The Convair prop driven planes have distinctive vertical tail surfaces. Note a recent example at: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=169 You are correct that the plane is ether a DC-4 or a DC-6, although I hope that the pictured aircraft is a DC-4, because it is at least of the correct time frame for the steam era. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/113419/L/ http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc6.htm Even though some were used exclusively in cargo service, I doubt that, the correct era notwithstanding, they could be considered freight cars. Paul Eaton The Old Sourdough Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska |
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Scott Pitzer
It's a DC-4 (too short to be a DC-6.)
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This photo is more proof that all the COOL field trips happened before I was in school! Now quit talking about airplanes! Scott Pitzer ======= -----Original Message-----
From: Old Sourdough <pmeaton@...> Sent: Nov 20, 2004 11:13 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos At 10:31 PM 11/20/2004 -0800, you wrote: Tim O'Connor says ...===================================I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg Roger, The Convair prop driven planes have distinctive vertical tail surfaces. Note a recent example at: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=169 You are correct that the plane is ether a DC-4 or a DC-6, although I hope that the pictured aircraft is a DC-4, because it is at least of the correct time frame for the steam era. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/113419/L/ http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc6.htm Even though some were used exclusively in cargo service, I doubt that, the correct era notwithstanding, they could be considered freight cars. Paul Eaton The Old Sourdough Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
It's not a DC-3 for several reasons: 4 motors instead of 2, not a tail
dragger being the most obvious. I believe it's a DC-7. -- Brian Ehni From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...><http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_3922200070057 0.jpg>
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
I don't think it's a Douglas, now. After Googleing the different DC planes
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(4, 6, 7), I notice all photos show SQUARE windows, while the craft in question has OVAL. To get back to steam era cars..... Oh, I can't make any stretch to get this back on topic!!! -- Brian Ehni From: Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...> |
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
However, looking up the tail number indicates it's a C-54, but flying for
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"Northeast". And C-54s had OVAL windows: http://www.warbirdalley.com/c54.htm -- Brian Ehni From: Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...> |
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Richard Hendrickson
Tim O'Connor's
I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg unleashed a torrent of speculation from underage listmembers who were presumably in diapers at the time. It's a Douglas DC-4, guys. Sheesh! If I weren't afraid of incurring Mike's wrath for being totally off-topic, I'd post a photo to give y'all a real identification challenge...maybe a Myers OTW or a Zlin 526. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
Brian Paul Ehni wrote:
However, looking up the tail number indicates it's a C-54, but flying forWhich were known in civilian life as DC-4s. Regards, Spen Kellogg |
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raildata@...
The coal is clearly "mine run", or not crushed and graded. I saw bituminous
coal like this dumped in front of people's houses in southern Ohio in the 60s. Just takes a couple of whacks with and axe or hammper to break it up. Anthracite is something much more difficult when it comes to breaking lumps. Chuck Yungkurth Boulder CO, but raised in Smokestack America |
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Jeff Lodge <cvfanbratt@...>
Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question about the coal dealer (in the link below) - What customer would want a load of coal the size of the stuff in the truck directly in front of the building?
Being that big, I can't see that it would burn cleanly. Would the coal be any cheaper in such a large grade to make it cost effective for a client to have a crusher? Obviously this is of direct interest to those of us who will be shipping coal in our scale empires...... Thanks, Jeff Lodge Brattleboro, VT Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: Citizen's Coal Company... (before) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/4415182862002_144412286200239222000702816.jpg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles Etheredge
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@o...> wrote: If I weren't afraid of incurring Mike's wrath for being totallyoff-topic, I'd post a photo to give y'all a real identificationchallenge...maybe a Myers OTW or a Zlin 526. Richard, how about my all-time favorite, the Staggerwing! |
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Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
I'm not sure, but I would think that it might go to a smaller dealer or to a large customer that does have means to crush it. Note in the piles in
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the yard, there is more of that grade too. Heck, you put one of those lumps of coal in some stoves and you have heat for one night easy! One thing that I do see - if you use the links Tim sent, you get the panoramic views on one page - which is nice, but one some of the views it ruins the effect and the detail. Particularly of the Apex and Bingham scenes, where having to scroll back and forth to trace the routes is half the fun. I have seen one model of a open pit, and after looking at the two examples, I can see there being, in some cases, more operation in these mines and complexes than on some layouts. And the nice thing is, there is no need to excuse the use of multi-level tracks! At 08:09 PM 11/21/2004, you wrote:
Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question |
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Well, it means we can use O scale coal! 8^)
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-- Brian Ehni From: Jeff Lodge <cvfanbratt@...> |
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armprem
Coal was sometimes delivered in canvas bags for small orders.Are we looking
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at some of those bags rather than chunks of coal?Armand Premo; ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lodge" <cvfanbratt@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] More old photos Tim forwarded some links of interest from the Utah site. My question about the coal dealer (in the link below) - What customer would want a load of coal the size of the stuff in the truck directly in front of the building? Being that big, I can't see that it would burn cleanly. Would the coal be any cheaper in such a large grade to make it cost effective for a client to have a crusher? Obviously this is of direct interest to those of us who will be shipping coal in our scale empires...... Thanks, Jeff Lodge Brattleboro, VT Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: Citizen's Coal Company... (before) http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/4415182862002_144412286200239 222000702816.jpg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! Yahoo! Groups Links |
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One thing that I do see - if you use the links Tim sent, you get the????? Bob, it sounds like you need to get a real web browser... Mine can zoom in or out on any photo image with a simple click on the picture. |
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Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
Charles Etheredge says ...
Richard, how about my all-time favorite, the Staggerwing!Oh dear Charles, that one? The Staggerwing Beechcraft? Yes, it is a STMFC era airplane. And, it is indeed an awesome airplane, but it is also one that leaks oil into the drip pan like there is no tomorrow! In other words, the Beechcraft Staggerwing leaks oil profusely! Cessna produced (Cessna 195) a very nice piece of work about the same time. It did not leak oil quite so bad. Whatever -- In either event - the Staggerwing and the Cessna 195 - , in each case the sound is round (the soothing rumble of a radial engine) - something that Richard Hendrickson's little rag wing tail dragger can't do. However, sound or no - it (Richard's tail dragger) sure is fun to fly. Rogue River Country. Richard lives in Ashland, Oregon. Ashland, Oregon - well, I tell you what. It is a really neat place for an airport and a nice place to hanger a rag wing tail dragger. Roger Miener (who is not as young as Richard Hendrickson would suggest) at Tacoma Wa PS Richard, how about the Howard DGA (Damn Good Airplane), otherwise known as the aluminum overcast. Ever see one of them? Howard in airplanes was like Overland Models in model railroad circles. In each case, there were not very many of them built. |
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