On Dec 17, 2004, at 7:24 PM, Keith Sirman wrote:

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ted Culotta
  To: STMFC@...
  Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View



  On Dec 17, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Pete Brown ((YahooGroups)) wrote:

  > BTW, is there a list of all F&C kits someplace? I couldn't find a
web
  > site
  >  for them, and I also didn't see any product information from
them on
  > the
  >  STMFC web site.

  Pete:

  www.fandckits.com

  Regards,
  Ted Culotta

  HI Ted:  Anyone carrying your book here in Canada?  I`d like to
know so I can get a copy.
  thanks,
  Keith Sirman

Keith:

I ship direct www.speedwitch.com or Central Hobbies in Vancouver should
have it.

Regards,
Ted

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

From: David Soderblom [mailto:drs@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View
I just got Ted's book today and did some elementary statistics to assess whether or not a styrene model of this car had commercial potential. I claim no knowledge of the business, but off the following:
First, a recap of their population in the 5301 ORER:
Road Series No. blt. No. in 1953
BAR 65000-65649 650 645
C&O 7000-7649 650 632
CG 4000-4499 500 488
CGW 89000-89998 500 487 Note 1

Note 1: Series numbers in book's table wrong? Last should be 89999?
Note 2: Series numbers in book's table wrong? First should be 15001?

The CGW series is correct - even numbers only

Howard

Ahh, thanks. They need to do something to improve their Google rating.



Pete



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From: Ted Culotta [mailto:tculotta@...]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View




On Dec 17, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Pete Brown ((YahooGroups)) wrote:

BTW, is there a list of all F&C kits someplace? I couldn't find a web
site
for them, and I also didn't see any product information from them on
the
STMFC web site.

Pete:

www.fandckits.com

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

On Dec 17, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Pete Brown ((YahooGroups)) wrote:

BTW, is there a list of all F&C kits someplace? I couldn't find a web site
for them, and I also didn't see any product information from them on the
STMFC web site.

Pete:

www.fandckits.com

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912

BTW, is there a list of all F&C kits someplace? I couldn't find a web site
for them, and I also didn't see any product information from them on the
STMFC web site.

Pete

_____________________________________________________
 Pete Brown - Gambrills, MD (Near Annapolis)
 Visit my personal site : http://www.irritatedVowel.com
 (wallpaper, western maryland ry, .net, photography, model rr)

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From: Pete Brown (YahooGroups) [mailto:YahooLists@...]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View

Different ends, and in the case of the WM (4th largest number built and
surviving) the cushioned frame, custom ladders and stirrup steps, and roof
that (I believe) was different from many of the others.

You'd have to have one heck of a kit made to cover even the largest
purchases.

But if you had to pick just one, I'd say to pick the WM <g>

Ted, great book, BTW. I've only read the WM bit and the opening section so
far, but plan to hit others as motivation hits :-)

Pete
_____________________________________________________
Pete Brown - Gambrills, MD (Near Annapolis)
Visit my personal site : http://www.irritatedVowel.com
(wallpaper, western maryland ry, .net, photography, model rr)

Different ends, and in the case of the WM (4th largest number built and
surviving) the cushioned frame, custom ladders and stirrup steps, and roof
that (I believe) was different from many of the others.



You'd have to have one heck of a kit made to cover even the largest
purchases.



But if you had to pick just one, I'd say to pick the WM <g>



Ted, great book, BTW. I've only read the WM bit and the opening section so
far, but plan to hit others as motivation hits :-)



Pete



_____________________________________________________
Pete Brown - Gambrills, MD (Near Annapolis)
Visit my personal site : http://www.irritatedVowel.com
(wallpaper, western maryland ry, .net, photography, model rr)



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From: David Soderblom [mailto:drs@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View



I just got Ted's book today and did some elementary statistics to
assess whether or not a styrene model of this car had commercial
potential. I claim no knowledge of the business, but off the
following:

First, a recap of their population in the 5301 ORER:

Road Series No. blt. No. in 1953

BAR 65000-65649 650 645
C&O 7000-7649 650 632
CG 4000-4499 500 488
CGW 89000-89998 500 487 Note 1
CP 225000-225699 700 690
CRR 5000-5249 250 246
D&H 17626-17725 100 99
ERIE 76500-76999 500 488
GM&N 6400-6549 150 147
L&A 15000-15150 150 148 Note 2
MEC 4248-4999 754 736
MP 30000-32499 2500 2461
I-GN 17001-17300 300 296
M-I 4000-4249 250 249
NOT&M 17301-17500 200 197
NC&StL 18000-18499 500 482
NKP 13000-13499 500 482
NS 25000-25499 500 488
NdeM 60000-61299 1300 1240
SAL 17000-18999 2000 1898
SOO 41800-42798 500 492
SOO 135800-135998 100 98
UP 182500 1 1
WRT 900-919 20 20
WM 27001-28200 1200 1181

Note 1: Series numbers in book's table wrong? Last should be 89999?
Note 2: Series numbers in book's table wrong? First should be 15001?

1. Total number of cars built = 14,725. Number remaining in 1953 is
14,391, or 98%, an excellent survival rate.

2. Of these, 4,305 were built with 9-4 IH and 4/4 ends, representing 12
roads (I'm counting the MP variants as separate). Another 1,700 were
built with 9-3 IH and 4/4 ends, and another 2,400 with 9-1 IH and 4/4
ends.

Observations:

I don't know all the design variations involved yet since I just got
the book, but if it's the ends that matter most, there are a
significant number of variations that can be built as
true-to-prototype.

Second, many of these roads are actually very popular among modelers
and, most importantly, modelers like to see variety in their trains,
especially colorful paint schemes (members of this list, I claim, are
*not* immune to this; how else could Martin ever hope to sell Warrior
River boxcars?). How many other valid models do we have for many of
these roads?

My conclusion is that the 1932 ARA boxcar, at least with 4/4 ends,
could well be marketable.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD

I agree with David. Variety is good. Different ends, if that's
the big deal, could be made separately.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: David Soderblom [mailto:drs@...]

1. Total number of cars built = 14,725. Number remaining in
1953 is 14,391, or 98%, an excellent survival rate.
My conclusion is that the 1932 ARA boxcar, at least with 4/4
ends, could well be marketable.
David Soderblom

And I'm STILL scratching my head -- Sunshine makes a raft of
these, and if they're not 100% accurate, I am CERTAIN they are
more representative of the prototypes that you're going to get
from any mass production model manufacturer. And if anyone did
them, chances are about 99 to 1 that they'll be R-T-R only.

The numbers indicate there were about 1/2 as many of these as
there were PRR X29's... and less than 1% of the total fleet of
freight cars in the 1940's. So if you have 4 or 5 X29's you
ought to have 2 or 3 of these. You can order them from Sunshine
and have yours built long before you get anything in plastic...

Just to remind y'all --

21.1 ARA 1932 MP/IGN/etc 30's-50's panel roof 4/4E
21.2 ARA 1932 CofG 30's-70's panel roof 4/4E
21.3 ARA 1932 C&O 30's-60's panel roof 4/4E
21.4 ARA 1932 MEC 30's-50's panel roof 4/4E
21.5 ARA 1932 MEC 50's-70's panel roof 4/4E
21.6 ARA 1932 CRR 30's-70's panel roof 4/4E
21.7 ARA 1932 SOO 50's-70's panel roof 4/4E
21.8 ARA 1932 UP 1937-50's panel roof 4/4E
21.9 ARA 1932 NKP 30's-60's Viking roof 4/4E
21.10 ARA 1932 Norfolk Southern Viking roof 4/4E
21.11 ARA 1932 Erie 30's-60's Viking roof Buckeye ends
21.12 ARA 1932 SAL Orange Blossom Pullman roof rivet ends DISCONTINUED
21.13 ARA 1932 SAL Courteous Service Pullman roof rivet ends
21.14 ARA 1932 SAL Silver Comet Pullman roof rivet ends
21.15 ARA 1932 NC&StL yellow bands Pullman roof rivet ends
21.16 ARA 1932 L&A/KCS 30's-60's Pullman roof rivet ends
21.17 ARA 1932 WM 27001-27500 open Duryea S corners ball logo
21.18 ARA 1932 WM 27001-27500 open Duryea S corners speed logo
21.19 ARA 1932 MP 31400-31499 open Duryea S corners small buzz
21.20 ARA 1932 WM 27501-28200 closed Duryea W corners ball herald
21.21 ARA 1932 WM 27501-28200 closed Duryea W corners speed logo
21.22 ARA 1932 MI 4000-4249 standard under W corners small buzz
21.23 ARA 1932 SAL 700-754 ventilated express boxcar PRIVATE STOCK
21.24 ARA 1932 CP boxcar "Spans the World"
21.25 ARA 1932 C&O 7000 series w/Hutchins roof
21.26 ARA 1932 C&O 220 series express boxcar 1930's-1950's
21.27 ARA 1932 SAL Silver Meteor
21.28 ARA 1932 SAL Robert E. Lee
21.29 ARA 1932 NC&StL 1937 thin script
21.30 ARA 1932 NC&StL 1942 brush stroke & 1944 scalloped herald
21.31 ARA 1932 Warrior River Terminal
21.32 ARA 1932 MP 1948 Eagles scheme Camel doors w/ Union Duplex
21.33 ARA 1932 M-I 1948 Eagles scheme Camel doors w/ UD rollers
21.34 ARA 1932 D&H welded & riveted 1947 era lettering
21.35 ARA 1932 CGW 1934-1960's
21.36 ARA 1932 NdeM 1935-1960s
21.37 ARA 1932 NC&StL express dulux lettering 1941-1960's

Tim O'Connor

I agree with David. Variety is good. Different ends, if that's the big deal,
could be made separately.

SGL

I just got Ted's book today and did some elementary statistics to assess whether or not a styrene model of this car had commercial potential. I claim no knowledge of the business, but off the following:

First, a recap of their population in the 5301 ORER:

Road Series No. blt. No. in 1953

BAR 65000-65649 650 645
C&O 7000-7649 650 632
CG 4000-4499 500 488
CGW 89000-89998 500 487 Note 1
CP 225000-225699 700 690
CRR 5000-5249 250 246
D&H 17626-17725 100 99
ERIE 76500-76999 500 488
GM&N 6400-6549 150 147
L&A 15000-15150 150 148 Note 2
MEC 4248-4999 754 736
MP 30000-32499 2500 2461
I-GN 17001-17300 300 296
M-I 4000-4249 250 249
NOT&M 17301-17500 200 197
NC&StL 18000-18499 500 482
NKP 13000-13499 500 482
NS 25000-25499 500 488
NdeM 60000-61299 1300 1240
SAL 17000-18999 2000 1898
SOO 41800-42798 500 492
SOO 135800-135998 100 98
UP 182500 1 1
WRT 900-919 20 20
WM 27001-28200 1200 1181

Note 1: Series numbers in book's table wrong? Last should be 89999?
Note 2: Series numbers in book's table wrong? First should be 15001?

1. Total number of cars built = 14,725. Number remaining in 1953 is 14,391, or 98%, an excellent survival rate.

2. Of these, 4,305 were built with 9-4 IH and 4/4 ends, representing 12 roads (I'm counting the MP variants as separate). Another 1,700 were built with 9-3 IH and 4/4 ends, and another 2,400 with 9-1 IH and 4/4 ends.

Observations:

I don't know all the design variations involved yet since I just got the book, but if it's the ends that matter most, there are a significant number of variations that can be built as true-to-prototype.

Second, many of these roads are actually very popular among modelers and, most importantly, modelers like to see variety in their trains, especially colorful paint schemes (members of this list, I claim, are *not* immune to this; how else could Martin ever hope to sell Warrior River boxcars?). How many other valid models do we have for many of these roads?

My conclusion is that the 1932 ARA boxcar, at least with 4/4 ends, could well be marketable.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD