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Tank Car ID Help Needed
Scott Seders
Following is a link to my personal web page.
http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.html I have uploaded an enlarged portion of a photo taken in August, 1956 of an empty hopper train departing Grafton, WV on the B&O. Unfortunately, the original photo is not very sharp. At the front of the train is a tank car. All that is visible is the shape and color of the lettering and logo. I am cerebrally challenged when it comes to tank cars. Can anyone tell me who this car belongs to? Any info would be of great help. Thanks, D. Scott Seders
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Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
On Dec 17, 2004, at 8:07 AM, Scott Seders wrote:
Following is a link to my personal web page.Scott: It looks to me like a Dow ICC 104 insulated car, but that's a guess based upon the shape of the emblem. Regards, Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media 100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402 info@... www.speedwitch.com (650) 787-1912
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http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.htmlLooks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa and other river valleys in that region had (still have) lots of chemical plants. Judging by the type of car (insulated 103) I would guess it's for sodium carbonate or sodium hydroxide, two common industrial chemicals.
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Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
On Dec 17, 2004, at 8:07 AM, Scott Seders wrote:
Ted Culotta replied:Following is a link to my personal web page.<http://home.comcast.net/%7Esseders/tankcar.html> Scott:In the April 1955 ORER, the only Dow cars listed were from their Texas Division (128 cars - all ICC-103's having five or six digit numbers) and 3 cars from their Canadian Division based in Vancouver BC. Another guess based upon the shape of the emblem would be the Diamond Alkali Company but most of these 237 cars were intended for chlorine, vinyl chloride or methyl chloride - ICC types 105 & 106. I believe that tank cars carrying chlorine did not have expansion domes so that should shoot down Diamond as the owner as a possibility. It is possible, however, that either Dow or Diamond leased long term this car from one of the private tank car leasing companies such as GATX, SHPX, or, maybe UTLX - UTLX had just got into the chemical car leasing business in 1952-53. Can anybody recall a company with a diamond logo which would be used on tank cars? Tim Gilbert
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Richard Hendrickson
Tim is correct that this is a Dow Chemical Co. tank car, in this case a 10Khttp://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.htmlLooks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa and gal. ICC-104 (or insulated ICC-103, which amounts to the same thing) built in the 1920s by the Standard Tank Car Co. - note the distinctive sloping box bolsters. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Tim Gilbert wrote
http://home.comcast.net/~sseders/tankcar.htmlAnother guess based upon the shape of the emblem would be the Diamond Tim, that is a good guess, but the Diamond Alkali emblem was multicolor and had writing through it that extended beyond the edges of the diamond. I have a 1956 photo of a Diamond Alkali 103W with a large dome, with reporting marks GATX 32991. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the only car I've ever seen that matches the Overland brass model #3229. Unfortunately I don't know of any decals for it. I would very much like to see a better photo of that 10k Dow tank car. Dow leased cars so not all of them had DOWX reporting marks -- I have photos of GATX Dow Chemical tank cars, for example. Dow was a big outfit based in Michigan, not Texas, but they had chemical plants in several states. From Tim O'ConnorResponse from Richard H. HendricksonLooks like a Dow Chemical tank car. The Ohio, Kanahwa andResponse from Tim Gilbert Tim is correct that this is a Dow Chemical Co. tank car, in this case a 10K
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Thomas Baker
It's hard to be certain, but do I detect friction-bearing trucks on the tank car?
Tom ________________________________
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Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
On Dec 17, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Thomas Baker wrote:
It's hard to be certain, but do I detect friction-bearing trucks onThey sure look like plain bearing trucks. Why would you wonder? Given the date, 1958, that is extremely reasonable... look at the two B&O hoppers following. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Benjamin Franklin __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Richard Hendrickson
On Dec 17, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Thomas Baker wrote:And Bruce Smith replied:It's hard to be certain, but do I detect friction-bearing trucks on They sure look like plain bearing trucks. Why would you wonder? GivenIt's a small matter, but thanks to Bruce for using the correct terminology in his response. Trucks that did not have roller bearings were plain bearing or solid bearing trucks, NOT "friction bearing" trucks. Unfortunately, many modelers have bought into what was essentially a scam on the part of roller bearing manufacturers, the use of "friction bearing" to describe solid bearing trucks; the fact is that all bearings (including roller bearings) have friction, and though roller bearing trucks required less effort to start from rest, once in motion they had little, if any, less rolling resistance (i.e., friction) than solid bearing trucks under most conditions. That roller bearings made trains easier to start was, of course, a significant advantage, but it was not at all the case that solid bearing trucks had friction and roller bearing didn't. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Thomas Baker wrote:
It's hard to be certain, but do I detect friction-bearing trucks on the tank car?No, no. They are solid-bearing trucks. All trucks sustain friction. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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