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buchwaldfam <duff@...> #37036 I was paging through an old magazine and came across a photo of a rebuilt 52'6" war emergency gondola which the Rock Island had rebuilt with corregated steel sides. The truss frame was still in place, they had just replaced the wood parts with steel. Unfortunately, the photo was not clear enough to see what the corregations looked like. They could either be a "sine wave" corregation, or possibly could have been reclaimed box car ends, cut and turned on their side so the corregations were aligned vertically. Can anyone enlighten me? The drop ends had corregations which were very similar to Pullman PS1 ends, so they must have been late '40s or later. When did these cars get the steel sides. (I'm assuming that they were pre-1960 era....) Thanks! Phil Buchwald
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Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> #37037 On Dec 31, 2004, at 4:12 AM, buchwaldfam wrote: I was paging through an old magazine and came across a photo of a rebuilt 52'6" war emergency gondola which the Rock Island had rebuilt with corregated steel sides. The truss frame was still in place, they had just replaced the wood parts with steel. Unfortunately, the photo was not clear enough to see what the corregations looked like. They could either be a "sine wave" corregation, or possibly could have been reclaimed box car ends, cut and turned on their side so the corregations were aligned vertically. Can anyone enlighten me? The drop ends had corregations which were very similar to Pullman PS1 ends, so they must have been late '40s or later. When did these cars get the steel sides. (I'm assuming that they were pre-1960 era....) Phil: I don't have the exact date of the replacement of the sides. The reweigh date of the car is 9/55. The material for the sides is most likely salvaged from the drop doors of Rock Island GS gons. They are definitely interesting cars. The ends are what I have been calling a "pressed Steel" end, although that is simply for convenience. Like other components of the day, I am sure that they were an approved alternative to the "standard" Dreadnaught drop end. The GTW's War Emergency gons, also built by Pressed Steel, had tight ends, but with the same corrugation pattern. Regards, Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media 100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402 info@... www.speedwitch.com (650) 787-1912
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> #37038 I've asked on the RITS list. -- Thanks! Brian Ehni toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: buchwaldfam <duff@...> Reply-To: <STMFC@...> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:12:30 -0000 To: <STMFC@...> Subject: [STMFC] Interesting CRI&P Gondola I was paging through an old magazine and came across a photo of a rebuilt 52'6" war emergency gondola which the Rock Island had rebuilt with corregated steel sides. The truss frame was still in place, they had just replaced the wood parts with steel. Unfortunately, the photo was not clear enough to see what the corregations looked like. They could either be a "sine wave" corregation, or possibly could have been reclaimed box car ends, cut and turned on their side so the corregations were aligned vertically. Can anyone enlighten me? The drop ends had corregations which were very similar to Pullman PS1 ends, so they must have been late '40s or later. When did these cars get the steel sides. (I'm assuming that they were pre-1960 era....) Thanks! Phil Buchwald
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buchwaldfam <duff@...> #37072 Thanks,Brian and Ted! Would be interesting to do one of these. It looks like the sides would have to be scratch built... the alternative would be to sand the back sides of a Tichy or resin flat kit to thin out the inside walls, like what has to be done with some resin stock cars. Yup, scratch sounds a little easier! Thanks again! Phil Buchwald toggle quoted message Show quoted text --- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@c...> wrote: I've asked on the RITS list. -- Thanks! Brian Ehni
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Richard Hendrickson #37074 Phil Buchwald writes: Would be interesting to do one of these. It looks like the sides would have to be scratch built... the alternative would be to sand the back sides of a Tichy or resin flat kit to thin out the inside walls, like what has to be done with some resin stock cars. Yup, scratch sounds a little easier! Phil, if you can find one of the old Ulrich kits for the war emergency mill gondolas on the second hand market, they had cast metal side framing with wood inserts for the sheathing, and you could model one of the RI cars by using the side framing castings and replacing the wood with corrugated steel panels. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Scott Pitzer #37078 I bought an assembled war emergency gon some years ago, and it had solid sides-- the framing and boards were all cast in a unit. So I guess you have to make sure which version of Ulrich is offered for sale. Scott Pitzer ======== toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> Sent: Jan 1, 2005 1:10 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Interesting CRI&P Gondola Phil Buchwald writes: Would be interesting to do one of these. It looks like the sides would have to be scratch built... the alternative would be to sand the back sides of a Tichy or resin flat kit to thin out the inside walls, like what has to be done with some resin stock cars. Yup, scratch sounds a little easier! Phil, if you can find one of the old Ulrich kits for the war emergency mill gondolas on the second hand market, they had cast metal side framing with wood inserts for the sheathing, and you could model one of the RI cars by using the side framing castings and replacing the wood with corrugated steel panels. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 Yahoo! Groups Links
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> #37088 I'd like to see this car done like the InterMountain GS gon, with the side material separate from the frame. I want to do one of these cars as a TOFC flat, which several were converted for. -- Brian Ehni toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: buchwaldfam <duff@...> Reply-To: <STMFC@...> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:03:46 -0000 To: <STMFC@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting CRI&P Gondola Thanks,Brian and Ted! Would be interesting to do one of these. It looks like the sides would have to be scratch built... the alternative would be to sand the back sides of a Tichy or resin flat kit to thin out the inside walls, like what has to be done with some resin stock cars. Yup, scratch sounds a little easier! Thanks again! Phil Buchwald
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buchwaldfam <duff@...> #37194 Thanks everyone for the help. Springfield is coming up...lots of flea market type vendors there. Maybe an Ulrich kit will show up. Thanks again! Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...> wrote: Phil Buchwald writes: Would be interesting to do one of these. It looks like the sides would have to be scratch built... the alternative would be to sand the back sides of a Tichy or resin flat kit to thin out the inside walls, like what has to be done with some resin stock cars. Yup, scratch sounds a little easier! Phil, if you can find one of the old Ulrich kits for the war emergency mill gondolas on the second hand market, they had cast metal side framing with wood inserts for the sheathing, and you could model one of the RI cars by using the side framing castings and replacing the wood with corrugated steel panels. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> #37195 Phil Buchwald wrote: "Springfield is coming up...lots of flea market type vendors there. Maybe an Ulrich kit will show up." Keep an eye on eBay as well - a surprising number of NOS Ulrich kits show up and tend to sell for reasonable prices. (Just did a search and there aren't any now - just built models - but keep checking.) Ben Hom
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