Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg
Baltimore docks, 1940 (SP B-50-19 and a DL&W covered hopper)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02041.jpg
Ashtabula Ohio, 1941
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02410.jpg
Ashtabula Ohio, 1941 (Coast Guard headquarters perhaps?)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02411.jpg
Chicago, 1944
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02914.jpg
Dallas Texas, 1953
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg
D&RGW freight in Horseshoe Canyon, 1953
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06833.jpg
UP freight train west of Hood River, 1960
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P11698.jpg

Tim O.

Thanks, Tim - though you missed this one that has nice roof detail:
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P15726.jpg

Serendipity = checked STMFC while taking a break from trimming NC&StL
decals for the Sunshine car. Can you let us know how to access this
collection?

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/search/index.jsp
and use the search feature.

The photo entitled, "Dallas, Texas, 1953" shows what appears to be
one of the NH 10'PS-1 box cars that have been discussed in this past
weekend's string.
Those cars were built in 1948. The photo shows that the car has
a red door, instead of a black door. Did the NH repaint cars that
often? Or did some of them get delivered without black doors?

Thanks,
Phil Buchwald

Regarding the photo at Dallas in 1953: I'd say it's a classic
example of how B&O's Oxide Red paint stands out from the pack.

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

Shawn Beckert

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:

Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg


Nice pics indeed! What is the PRR boxcar in the lower left corner of
this picture? It looks like an X29 with a left-opening door.

Mark Heiden

Mark Heiden wrote:
"Nice pics indeed! What is the PRR boxcar in the lower left corner
of this picture? It looks like an X29 with a left-opening door."

PRR Class X25, 9,620 cars built 1915-1919.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X25
http://www.westerfield.biz/6151.htm


Ben Hom

Phil Buchwals wrote:
"The photo entitled, "Dallas, Texas, 1953" shows what appears to be
one of the NH 10'PS-1 box cars that have been discussed in this past
weekend's string."
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

"Those cars were built in 1948. The photo shows that the car has a
red door, instead of a black door. Did the NH repaint cars that
often? Or did some of them get delivered without black doors?"

I'll leave it up to Ed Hawkins to verify the original P-S bill of
materials, but all of the photos of these cars in original paint
that I've seen have black ends and doors. The car in the photo
looks like it has a fresh paint job. If it had been delivered
without black doors, you'd see a car with 6 years worth of
weathering and wear. Five years is a short time between paint jobs
for steel cars; however, something must have happened to this car to
require new paint. Most likely, the car was damaged in a wreck and
repainted after repairs, but without car records, this is
speculation.


Ben Hom

On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:
>
> Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg


Nice pics indeed!  What is the PRR boxcar in the lower left corner of
this picture?  It looks like an X29 with a left-opening door.

That would be an X25.

Regards
Bruce

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On Monday, March 7, 2005, at 12:45 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

I'll leave it up to Ed Hawkins to verify the original P-S bill of
materials, but all of the photos of these cars in original paint
that I've seen have black ends and doors. 

Ben,
All the photos I've seen of the NH PS-1s in new paint had black doors.
However, I don't have any bills of materials for any PS-1s, just data
from correspondence files and these only go back to 1950 (at the
Illinois Railway Museum), at least that I could find. The BOM data I
have is from 1929-1947 of cars built at Bessemer and a number of cars
built at Butler.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Ends too? Good to know. You can't really tell from the photo i've
been referring to. The door definitly shows contrast, but from the
angle, the ends may have been washed out, so don't appear any darker
than the sides. Also, I wish that I could tell the car number in
the "Dallas" photo. It would be a nice contrast to have two
different paint jobs on models. However if it was a wreck or some
unusual repaint, then there probably weren't too many of them
without black doors, so the exact car number would be nice to have.
Also... (sorry for the ramble), I went ahead and tried my own
suggestion this weekend for making one of those 10' tall cars. I
tried to make a photo, but the file is too large to post, so I'll
have to see tomorrow if someone can help me reduce the file size.
Anyway, I was able to carefully cut the sides down without ruining
the original ends. I left the roof off, and marked/scribed a line 6"
down below the horizontal strip weld line. Then I replaced the small
horizontal strip with two thicknesses of .030 x .040 Evergreen, with
the .040 side vertical. This just about exactly matched the height
of the original strip, and saved the trouble of removing the scrap
from the original strip. I then trimmed the ends to match the new
side height. Had to remove the lip from inside the roof so the roof
would sit flush on the sides, and after that, everything just glued
together like a stock kit. The doors are Accurail 7', 7 panel
Superior, with the top panel cut down, and a top frame made out of
that same .030 x .040. It seems to be working out so far! I'm
letting the glue evaporate before a little clean-up sanding, and
then next stop is the paint booth.

Regards,
Phil Buchwald


--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...>
wrote:

I'll leave it up to Ed Hawkins to verify the original P-S bill of
materials, but all of the photos of these cars in original paint
that I've seen have black ends and doors. The car in the photo
looks like it has a fresh paint job. If it had been delivered
without black doors, you'd see a car with 6 years worth of
weathering and wear. Five years is a short time between paint

jobs

for steel cars; however, something must have happened to this car

to

require new paint. Most likely, the car was damaged in a wreck

and

repainted after repairs, but without car records, this is
speculation.


Ben Hom

On Mar 6, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

The 'Dixieland' car is a 1932 ARA car and that is the only photo I have ever seen of one in that scheme! The Erie car next to it is 1932 car as well.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Can anyone make out who's hopper cars are being loaded just behind the string of boxcars? Todd Horton

Todd Horton asked:
"Can anyone make out whose hopper cars are being loaded just behind
the string of boxcars?"
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

Baltimore & Ohio. The thrid and fourth car from the left have
Capitol domes, and most of the rest appear to have the spelled
out "BALTIMORE & OHIO" scheme with no herald.


Ben Hom

On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:11 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Todd Horton asked:
"Can anyone make out whose hopper cars are being loaded just behind
the string of boxcars?"
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

Baltimore & Ohio.  The thrid and fourth car from the left have
Capitol domes, and most of the rest appear to have the spelled
out "BALTIMORE & OHIO" scheme with no herald.

And it looks like an N&W hopper just across the river...

Regards
Bruce

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Nice "slope sheet only" loading shown too! Just like
the loading diagrams. Did the gravel in hoppers stay
that way in transit or settle down into the car? I
have seen a video of a set of PRR GR gons with a plume
of dust trailing from their loads of crushed stone.
Maybe BLI will attempt to model this.

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What kind of equipment did they use to pile the stone that high? I
don't see any crane anywhere near in that photo.

Regards,
PHil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@v...> wrote:

On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:11 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Todd Horton asked:
"Can anyone make out whose hopper cars are being loaded just

behind

the string of boxcars?"

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

Baltimore & Ohio.  The thrid and fourth car from the left have
Capitol domes, and most of the rest appear to have the spelled
out "BALTIMORE & OHIO" scheme with no herald.

And it looks like an N&W hopper just across the river...

Regards
Bruce

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The stone loads or the dust? I've got enough dust in my basement as
it is! ;0

Phil Buchwald

--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide <mononinmonon@y...>
wrote:

Nice "slope sheet only" loading shown too! Just like
the loading diagrams. Did the gravel in hoppers stay
that way in transit or settle down into the car? I
have seen a video of a set of PRR GR gons with a plume
of dust trailing from their loads of crushed stone.
Maybe BLI will attempt to model this.

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Todd Horton wrote:

Can anyone make out who's hopper cars are being loaded just behind

the string of boxcars?

Todd,

I enlarged the image on a large monitor at work and my best guess is
those are B&O hoppers.

The date of 1941 would agree with the lettering schemes in use at that
time. The third car from the left would be a relatively new Class
N-35 AAR off-set side twin hopper with a less common lettering scheme
where the capital dome logo is on the left side of the car nearer the
initials and numbers. The next car, a ribbed side type, has the more
common scheme with the logo on the right side. The other cars are
various ribbed side twin hoppers, but the images are too small to
distinguish what B&O Classes they are. Most of those still have
earlier lettering styles in use before the introduction of the capital
dome logo.

It's also a great view of how dense gravel was loaded in hoppers
primarily designed for hauling coal.

I hope this helps.

Bob Witt

On Mar 6, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Cleveland, Cuyahoga River, 1941 (note "Dixieland" box car)
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02405.jpg

The 'Dixieland' car is a 1932 ARA car and that is the only photo I have
ever seen of one in that scheme! The Erie car next to it is 1932 car
as well.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@s...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912