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Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas
Shawn Beckert
List,
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta
will eventually be bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an
unusual design, and I can only guess that they had a
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas?
Thanks,
Shawn Beckert
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta
will eventually be bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an
unusual design, and I can only guess that they had a
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas?
Thanks,
Shawn Beckert
Richard Hendrickson
On Mar 24, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:
Richard Hendrickson
Like the low-side gons owned by other y'all railroads (e.g., ACL, SAL), the Southern's cars were intended primarily for limestone service. In the only two photos I have of these cars were the loads are visible, they're carrying crush limestone. However, open-top cars were versatile and the Southern doubtless used their low-side gons for anything and everything that would fit in them and didn't require weather protection.
List,
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta
will eventually be bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an
unusual design, and I can only guess that they had a
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas?
Richard Hendrickson
Shawn Beckert
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
http://www.lehighcement.com/ps_manuf.asp
Therefore, any railroad that had a cement plant online (probably most of
them) could expect to see railcars of limestone, shale, etc. spotted on a
regular basis. Therefore, I could probably use one or two of these Southern
gons, since the SSW did indeed have cement plants located on the system. Of
course they most likely had closer sources of limestone and may have used
their own gondolas and hoppers in this service instead of "foreign" cars.
But I'm rambling again...
Shawn Beckert
Like the low-side gons owned by other y'all railroads (e.g., ACL, SAL),And limestone was and is one of the primary ingredients in portland cement:
the Southern's cars were intended primarily for limestone service. In
the only two photos I have of these cars were the loads are visible,
they're carrying crush limestone. However, open-top cars were
versatile and the Southern doubtless used their low-side gons for
anything and everything that would fit in them and didn't require
weather protection.
http://www.lehighcement.com/ps_manuf.asp
Therefore, any railroad that had a cement plant online (probably most of
them) could expect to see railcars of limestone, shale, etc. spotted on a
regular basis. Therefore, I could probably use one or two of these Southern
gons, since the SSW did indeed have cement plants located on the system. Of
course they most likely had closer sources of limestone and may have used
their own gondolas and hoppers in this service instead of "foreign" cars.
But I'm rambling again...
Shawn Beckert
Larry Kline
Shawn Beckert asked:
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta will eventually
be bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an unusual design,
and I can only guess that they had a particular commodity in mind for
these cars to haul. Anybody know more about these gondolas?
There is a nice Bill Price photo, available from Bobs Photo, that shows
a similar low side gon, SAL 99497. (I'm not sure of the number but its
consistent with the ORER data for SAL series 99100-99999) The SAL gon
is carrying a load of baled scrap steel, westbound at Deal, PA on the
WM on 9-19-52.
Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta will eventually
be bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an unusual design,
and I can only guess that they had a particular commodity in mind for
these cars to haul. Anybody know more about these gondolas?
There is a nice Bill Price photo, available from Bobs Photo, that shows
a similar low side gon, SAL 99497. (I'm not sure of the number but its
consistent with the ORER data for SAL series 99100-99999) The SAL gon
is carrying a load of baled scrap steel, westbound at Deal, PA on the
WM on 9-19-52.
Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Tim Gilbert
Like the low-side gons owned by other y'all railroads (e.g., ACL, SAL),The Maine Central also had similar low side gons in the #17000 series. The limestone trade was a prime reason why.
the Southern's cars were intended primarily for limestone service. In
the only two photos I have of these cars were the loads are visible,
they're carrying crush limestone. However, open-top cars were
versatile and the Southern doubtless used their low-side gons for
anything and everything that would fit in them and didn't require
weather protection.
Tim Gilbert
Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
I had always thought that these cars were used for coal and gravel shipments
to places that lacked the facilities to unload a hopper. The low sides made
it easier to unload manually with a shovel. The cars became obsolete when
the minimum wage law was first passed. It then became cheaper to build a
hopper trestle.
regards,
Andy Miller
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to places that lacked the facilities to unload a hopper. The low sides made
it easier to unload manually with a shovel. The cars became obsolete when
the minimum wage law was first passed. It then became cheaper to build a
hopper trestle.
regards,
Andy Miller
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From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:Shawn.Beckert@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:27 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas
List,
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta will eventually be
bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an unusual design, and I
can only guess that they had a particular commodity in mind for these cars
to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas?
Thanks,
Shawn Beckert
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List,
In regards to the low-side 40' gondola that Ted Culotta will eventually be
bringing out:
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm
What exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an unusual design, and I
can only guess that they had a particular commodity in mind for these cars
to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas?
Thanks,
Shawn Beckert
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Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
unusual design, and I can only guess that they had aWhat exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas? <<
Shawn
I have seen photos of them with loads of limestone and pig iron for the
Alabama iron industries, and with loads of sand somewhere in Georgia. In
all cases they look decidedly well used with the sides bowing out and full
of dents – not surprising given the nature of the loads, but not always easy
to model convincingly. Interestingly the iron ore and coal arrived at the
furnaces in hoppers, but not the limestone so someone had the fun of
unloading this by hand.
Cars in pig iron service also lost a good deal of their paint fairly quickly
as the pigs were often still hot when they were loaded into the car - the
whole car was sprayed with water to cool the load (and the car) during the
loading process.
ACL had cars of similar capacity (modelled by F&C) which were used for the
same type of service. There are pictures of the Sloss Furnace in Birmingham
which show long lines of low side gons from various roads full of limestone
for the blast furnaces.
Aidrian
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Scott Pitzer
I'm one of those who wants to justify a couple of low side gons travelling far from their home roads... for instance over the C&O in West Virginia. Seems like that isn't very common.
Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know, Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
Scott Pitzer
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Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know, Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
Scott Pitzer
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From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
Sent: Mar 25, 2005 8:32 AM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas? <<
Shawn
I have seen photos of them with loads of limestone and pig iron for the
Alabama iron industries, and with loads of sand somewhere in Georgia. In
all cases they look decidedly well used with the sides bowing out and full
of dents ? not surprising given the nature of the loads, but not always easy
to model convincingly. Interestingly the iron ore and coal arrived at the
furnaces in hoppers, but not the limestone so someone had the fun of
unloading this by hand.
Cars in pig iron service also lost a good deal of their paint fairly quickly
as the pigs were often still hot when they were loaded into the car - the
whole car was sprayed with water to cool the load (and the car) during the
loading process.
ACL had cars of similar capacity (modelled by F&C) which were used for the
same type of service. There are pictures of the Sloss Furnace in Birmingham
which show long lines of low side gons from various roads full of limestone
for the blast furnaces.
Aidrian
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From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
Sent: Mar 25, 2005 8:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Southern's 40' Low-Side Gondolas
unusual design, and I can only guess that they had aWhat exactly did the Southern use these for? It's an
particular commodity in mind for these cars to haul.
Anybody know more about these gondolas? <<
Shawn
I have seen photos of them with loads of limestone and pig iron for the
Alabama iron industries, and with loads of sand somewhere in Georgia. In
all cases they look decidedly well used with the sides bowing out and full
of dents ? not surprising given the nature of the loads, but not always easy
to model convincingly. Interestingly the iron ore and coal arrived at the
furnaces in hoppers, but not the limestone so someone had the fun of
unloading this by hand.
Cars in pig iron service also lost a good deal of their paint fairly quickly
as the pigs were often still hot when they were loaded into the car - the
whole car was sprayed with water to cool the load (and the car) during the
loading process.
ACL had cars of similar capacity (modelled by F&C) which were used for the
same type of service. There are pictures of the Sloss Furnace in Birmingham
which show long lines of low side gons from various roads full of limestone
for the blast furnaces.
Aidrian
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Scott Pitzer wrote:
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know, Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)Simple answer: weight your cars to run empty and build light, removable loads.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
On Mar 25, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Regards,
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912
These gons and all others offered in the future by Speedwitch Models will have a cavity under the floor to add weight. This will mean that the underframe components will not be modeled to their full "depth". I'll deal with Byron on this issue, but for the rest of you, it is probably a welcome problem to have. In addition, the patterns are constructed so that the floor fits "into" the sides and ends, eliminating the potential sloppy joints caused by having to butt the floor against the sides and ends. This will be invisible to the modeler since the kits will be one-piece castings to which the bottom of the floor/underframe components are added. However, it makes for a neater appearance to the interior of the car.
Scott Pitzer wrote:Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron forSimple answer: weight your cars to run empty and build light,
engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed
over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a
resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a
full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know,
Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
removable loads.
Regards,
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Scott,
You are right about loading over the trucks. This is what the D&RGW and WP did with their rather significant traffic in coiled steel. For the whole story and some photos try: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html .
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
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You are right about loading over the trucks. This is what the D&RGW and WP did with their rather significant traffic in coiled steel. For the whole story and some photos try: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html .
Kind regards,
Garth G. Groff
Scott Pitzer wrote in part::
Funny thing about the Sunshine Models gon loads such as ingot iron for engine blocks, and aluminum ingots-- only a few of these items, placed over the trucks, made a full load. So in model form, you start with a resin gon that weighs nothing, and you add a few RESIN ingots for a full load, and you hope the whole thing doesn't blow away! (I know, Martin's in the resin business, not the lead business...)
Scott Pitzer