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ex-PRR cars on Rutland or GMRR? also cars on the OERM
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Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
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I had heard the Vermont had some of these cars, and even saw a pic once. Me and the other guys involved in TKM would love to see some photos of these cars, so we get the details right. While we know some of what roof went with what cars, specifics about any of them are especially useful in doing these cars up right for the magazine. If you or any other intrepid STMFC members have a chance to get some images, we could particularly use: Roof shot (and hoping, treatment type) and running board type B end details, including handbrake and brake step Underframe shots And, of course, car numbers! Speaking of existing steam-era cars, I got some shots of the freight cars at OERM recently, and was wondering if anyone had any idea as to the pedigree of the ex-PRR F30-class flat (I'm thinking F30D, as the stake pockets have no lips, and you can clearly see the GSC logo in the casting), the truss-sided 52' WE gon, and some of the tank cars there? I heard that the X-3 tank is a 6.5k car, and was also wondering if anyone did the decals for this car in a size that fits the actual model? I have some nice pics, and was wondering if any of these had good kit matches and decals available? I'd love to do a few of these guys! Elden Gatwood
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From: buchwaldfam [mailto:duff@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:49 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rutland PS-1 boxcars I've got to get back down to Rutland to see that one. The GMRR had several X26c's. At least one had the diagonal panel roofs, but the photo is high angle off of an overpass, and doesn't show the car number. The two cars in Middlebury have rectangular panel roofs. If the car in Rutland is an X29 rebuild, even better! That one is on my to-do list, so reference material needs to be acquired! For the really adventurous, there used to be a floating bridge between Larabee's Point and Ticonderoga, NY. It had a nasty habit of capsizing, and some equipment is still down there. Best regards, Phil Buchwald
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
Elden,
The two cars sitting in Middlebury have rectangular panel roofs. The trucks are solid bearing types, however they are not the original Andrews trucks... understandable since they ran in the 70's. One car has been painted white with red roof and ends. The other is in brown primer on one side and both ends, while the other side is still in GMRR green with the words, "Terry's Pullman" neatly stenciled next to the door. Both cars are "stock", with no MOW modifications, etc. I looked all over for enough paint to get a car number, but had no luck. I even went back there in early evening and tried to see if I could catch a shadow of the original numbers under the top coat of paint, but they must have done a thorough job when they repainted them. Is there some sort of equivalent to an automobile "VIN" tag that the PRR would have attached to the cars? Serial number stampings in the sheet metal somewhere? Could a serial number on the old USRA underframe be tied to a PRR number? I did see numerals stamped on various pieces here and there, but they didn't mean anything to me. I haven't seen the car that is down in Rutland, but would like to get down there if I get a weekend off. The photo shows a diagonal panel roof, definitely in GMRR paint, but like I wrote before, you can't make out a car number. Best Regards, Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...> wrote: Phil;once. photos of these cars, so we get the details right. While we know some ofwhat roof went with what cars, specifics about any of them areespecially useful in doing these cars up right for the magazine.some images, we could particularly use:
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armprem
Elden,I have sometimes found car numbers stenciled on the underframe,on
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trucks and on the inside.Armand Premo
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From: "buchwaldfam" <duff@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: ex-PRR cars on Rutland or GMRR? also cars on the OERM
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Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
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That is very interesting info. Yes, the Andrews seem to have been replaced, often with PRR 2D-F8 trucks, when they got rebuilt, but truck swaps after that were even common. I have never seen anything that resembles a serial or VIN number on a PRR freight car, just the car numbers on the exterior, and one on the underframe (perhaps in case the two were separated for a rebuild and they wanted to keep track of the underframe for accounting purposes), but your idea makes more sense. I have seen parts numbers stamped into just about everything. If the other one with the diagonal roof is an X26C, then that would make it one of the last 500 rebuilds. We also don't know if it may have been one of the X26C that were further rebuilt in the mid-60's into an X26F. Since the X26Cs were hitting the 40-year rule, some portion of the fleet was supposedly re-underframed to allow them to continue in service. I don't know what the details of this swap out were, though. And I say supposedly with good reason. The PRR rebuilds sometimes didn't seem to include parts that you would have thought would have had to have been changed. Crown trucks are one example. How those trucks ended up escaping replacement when they outlawed Andrews-style trucks is beyond me! And they ended up on "rebuilds" like the new G36 class gons? Let us know if you find anything more out! Thanks, Elden Gatwood
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From: buchwaldfam [mailto:duff@...] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:46 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: ex-PRR cars on Rutland or GMRR? also cars on the OERM Elden, The two cars sitting in Middlebury have rectangular panel roofs. The trucks are solid bearing types, however they are not the original Andrews trucks... understandable since they ran in the 70's. One car has been painted white with red roof and ends. The other is in brown primer on one side and both ends, while the other side is still in GMRR green with the words, "Terry's Pullman" neatly stenciled next to the door. Both cars are "stock", with no MOW modifications, etc. I looked all over for enough paint to get a car number, but had no luck. I even went back there in early evening and tried to see if I could catch a shadow of the original numbers under the top coat of paint, but they must have done a thorough job when they repainted them. Is there some sort of equivalent to an automobile "VIN" tag that the PRR would have attached to the cars? Serial number stampings in the sheet metal somewhere? Could a serial number on the old USRA underframe be tied to a PRR number? I did see numerals stamped on various pieces here and there, but they didn't mean anything to me. I haven't seen the car that is down in Rutland, but would like to get down there if I get a weekend off. The photo shows a diagonal panel roof, definitely in GMRR paint, but like I wrote before, you can't make out a car number. Best Regards, Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...> wrote: Phil;once. photos of these cars, so we get the details right. While we know some ofwhat roof went with what cars, specifics about any of them areespecially useful in doing these cars up right for the magazine.some images, we could particularly use:
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
The ironic thing was that when I went over to measure some things,
the green car was opened up, and I got a good look at the inside. (Very good quality wood for the lining, by the way, and in case anyone was wondering, the INSIDE of the roof panels were unpainted galvanized), but I missed my opportunity and neglected to look for a number stenciled inside! I'll see if the Agway guys will let me peek inside... Where on the frame would the number be? On the center sill? Regards, Phil buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "armand premo" <armprem@s...> wrote: Elden,I have sometimes found car numbers stenciled on theunderframe,on trucks and on the inside.Armand Premo
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Greg Martin
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Check the center sill as the car numners were stenciled there. Greg Martin
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From: buchwaldfam <duff@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:45:48 -0000 Subject: [STMFC] Re: ex-PRR cars on Rutland or GMRR? also cars on the OERM Elden, The two cars sitting in Middlebury have rectangular panel roofs. The trucks are solid bearing types, however they are not the original Andrews trucks... understandable since they ran in the 70's. One car has been painted white with red roof and ends. The other is in brown primer on one side and both ends, while the other side is still in GMRR green with the words, "Terry's Pullman" neatly stenciled next to the door. Both cars are "stock", with no MOW modifications, etc. I looked all over for enough paint to get a car number, but had no luck. I even went back there in early evening and tried to see if I could catch a shadow of the original numbers under the top coat of paint, but they must have done a thorough job when they repainted them. Is there some sort of equivalent to an automobile "VIN" tag that the PRR would have attached to the cars? Serial number stampings in the sheet metal somewhere? Could a serial number on the old USRA underframe be tied to a PRR number? I did see numerals stamped on various pieces here and there, but they didn't mean anything to me. I haven't seen the car that is down in Rutland, but would like to get down there if I get a weekend off. The photo shows a diagonal panel roof, definitely in GMRR paint, but like I wrote before, you can't make out a car number. Best Regards, Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden" <Elden.Gatwood@h...> wrote: Phil;once. photos of these cars, so we get the details right. While we know some ofwhat roof went with what cars, specifics about any of them areespecially useful in doing these cars up right for the magazine.some images, we could particularly use:
Yahoo! Groups Links
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ljack70117@...
On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 03:52 PM, tgregmrtn@... wrote:
Check the trucks and wheels. The car number will be on those also. thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
Well, I had it wrong... the green car is formerly VTR #528, not GMRR.
Both cars have 2D-F8 trucks (large depressed area around the springs) Reading from left to right across the top of the sideframe: Green car: V9806 PATD ARA 1928 11-29 5 1/2 x 10 White car: AAR 37 PRR V9806A PATD 6582 12-39 5 1/2 x 10 "PATD" was at the crown, directly over the bolsters on both trucks. No numbers on the wheels that I could see. The Green car didn't have any identifying numbers, but had the stencil, "Moving for Dismantling AAR RULE 90 To Luria Bro. Inc. Modina, Pa RDG RR Del." I found a partial number stencil on the white car center sill, between the two crossbearers, on the side opposite from the brake cylinder: 0670 (possibly 10670, there was a leading numeral, but couldn't tell if it was a 1, 4, 9, ?. It WAS a vertical straight line) Does this fit any X26 number series? Other details, both have 6 foot doors, metal running boards. The green car has Youngstown doors; the white one, Superior. Both cars had the original USRA underframes, however both had an extra crosstie with additional C-channel stringers installed between the two crossmembers. Could this be what the PRR did to "replace" the original underframes at 40 years old? They would have hit 40 in about 1960, and the VTR was still one strike away in that year. So if they were worth enough to be resold to VTR as useful interchange equipment, they would have had to be modified by the PRR? The added parts were definitely NOT original manufacture, since the entire underframe appears to be riveted construction. These parts were welded in place. Best Regards, Phil Buchwald (It's sort of like playing detective!)
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