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LL 50' DD Box Part Number
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mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
While crusing the LL site for old part numbers for SOU stuff, I came across a couple of SOU 50' boxes for sale.
http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/store/protospecial.htm At the bottom of this page are listed a couple of box cars for SOU. The pictures are ATSF. I can't find part numbers 42120 and 42075 anywhere else. Anyone know what's with this? Attached are my notes about LL 50' double door boxes cut, pasted, and slightly editted from LL's archived cars pages. TIA. Mike Turner Simpsonville, SC 30377 Southern Railway #42084 Large Gothic "Southern" 30378 Southern Railway #42177 30379 Southern Railway #42254 Twin Pack 30359 Southern Railway #42236 & #42150 21027 Southern #40249 Brown 21028 Southern #40200 21033 Undecorated Brown FOUR PACKS 21029 Southern #40213, 40227, 40231, 402044 Brown 42xxx dreadnaught ends 40xxx end doors |
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Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
Mike,
42120 and 42075 are the road numbers of the kits, the item numbers are 30357 and 30358. The paint scheme is the same as the built-ups 30377, 78, 79. They have dreadnaught ends, not end doors. And Undec 21033 is Post-war gray in the stealth scheme. Hope this helps. Larry Grubb mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...> wrote: While crusing the LL site for old part numbers for SOU stuff, I came across a couple of SOU 50' boxes for sale. http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/store/protospecial.htm At the bottom of this page are listed a couple of box cars for SOU. The pictures are ATSF. I can't find part numbers 42120 and 42075 anywhere else. Anyone know what's with this? Attached are my notes about LL 50' double door boxes cut, pasted, and slightly editted from LL's archived cars pages. TIA. Mike Turner Simpsonville, SC 30377 Southern Railway #42084 Large Gothic "Southern" 30378 Southern Railway #42177 30379 Southern Railway #42254 Twin Pack 30359 Southern Railway #42236 & #42150 21027 Southern #40249 Brown 21028 Southern #40200 21033 Undecorated Brown FOUR PACKS 21029 Southern #40213, 40227, 40231, 402044 Brown 42xxx dreadnaught ends 40xxx end doors --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. |
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Doug Brown <brown194@...>
I noticed that the PS-2CDs above the boxcars show a Rock Island car
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regardless of the road name being offered. The ATSF car shows what the car looks like, not what the lettering looks like. I don't know why. Doug Brown -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Grubb [mailto:larry450sl@...] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:11 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] LL 50' DD Box Part Number Mike, 42120 and 42075 are the road numbers of the kits, the item numbers are 30357 and 30358. The paint scheme is the same as the built-ups 30377, 78, 79. They have dreadnaught ends, not end doors. And Undec 21033 is Post-war gray in the stealth scheme. Hope this helps. Larry Grubb mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...> wrote: While crusing the LL site for old part numbers for SOU stuff, I came across a couple of SOU 50' boxes for sale. http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/store/protospecial.htm At the bottom of this page are listed a couple of box cars for SOU. The pictures are ATSF. I can't find part numbers 42120 and 42075 anywhere else. Anyone know what's with this? Attached are my notes about LL 50' double door boxes cut, pasted, and slightly editted from LL's archived cars pages. TIA. Mike Turner Simpsonville, SC 30377 Southern Railway #42084 Large Gothic "Southern" 30378 Southern Railway #42177 30379 Southern Railway #42254 Twin Pack 30359 Southern Railway #42236 & #42150 21027 Southern #40249 Brown 21028 Southern #40200 21033 Undecorated Brown FOUR PACKS 21029 Southern #40213, 40227, 40231, 402044 Brown 42xxx dreadnaught ends 40xxx end doors --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. Yahoo! Groups Links |
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
Ok.....
Not counting MOW equipment, does anyone know of any early-mid 1950s general service box cars which were actually painted gray? No, not kidding here... I keep seeing the photos of the models in primer in Essential Freight Cars, and have grown kind of partial to that "paint scheme"! (That was the root of my question from a few months ago about that light colored box car in Mr. Hom's RPCyc X29 article!) I actually picked up a gray Walthers Pullman "waffle side" box car, but that doesn't count here. :) Best regards, Phil buchwald --- In STMFC@..., Larry Grubb <larry450sl@y...> wrote: Mike,helps. Larry Grubb |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Phil Buchwald wrote:
Ok.....Phil, you have to be very careful about interpreting photographic evidence in this regard. Several car builders at various times (including, but not limited to, Pullman-Standard, Pressed Steel, and the Madison plant of AC&F) painted portrait cars flat light gray with black stenciling so that all the construction details, including underframes and trucks, would be more easily visible. Thus there are numerous builder's photos, including some in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias, of cars painted gray which were never delivered in that form. After the car builder's photographer took all the portrait shots, the gray paint (which was apparently water-based) was washed off and the car was delivered in whatever P/L scheme the railroad specified, usually either mineral brown or black with white stenciling. BTW, Erie-Lackawanna repainted a whole lot of box cars gray with maroon stenciling in the early '60s, but that's out of era for the STMFC list. Richard Hendrickson |
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Scott Pitzer
Phil's talking about "Culotta Gray" which we often see on Ted's models-- in those photos that make you say, "That MUST be an O scale model!"
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Pictures of those D&M cars always make me feel cold! Scott Pitzer ======= -----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> Sent: Apr 14, 2005 10:24 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LL 50' DD Box Part Number On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Phil Buchwald wrote: Ok.....Phil, you have to be very careful about interpreting photographic evidence in this regard. Several car builders at various times (including, but not limited to, Pullman-Standard, Pressed Steel, and the Madison plant of AC&F) painted portrait cars flat light gray with black stenciling so that all the construction details, including underframes and trucks, would be more easily visible. Thus there are numerous builder's photos, including some in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias, of cars painted gray which were never delivered in that form. After the car builder's photographer took all the portrait shots, the gray paint (which was apparently water-based) was washed off and the car was delivered in whatever P/L scheme the railroad specified, usually either mineral brown or black with white stenciling. BTW, Erie-Lackawanna repainted a whole lot of box cars gray with maroon stenciling in the early '60s, but that's out of era for the STMFC list. Richard Hendrickson Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
Phil,
You could always make a diorama of one of the car manufactuing facilities Richard mentioned below and paint gray to your heart's content. As they say, there's a prototype for everything..... Larry Grubb Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote: On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Phil Buchwald wrote: Ok.....Phil, you have to be very careful about interpreting photographic evidence in this regard. Several car builders at various times (including, but not limited to, Pullman-Standard, Pressed Steel, and the Madison plant of AC&F) painted portrait cars flat light gray with black stenciling so that all the construction details, including underframes and trucks, would be more easily visible. Thus there are numerous builder's photos, including some in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias, of cars painted gray which were never delivered in that form. After the car builder's photographer took all the portrait shots, the gray paint (which was apparently water-based) was washed off and the car was delivered in whatever P/L scheme the railroad specified, usually either mineral brown or black with white stenciling. BTW, Erie-Lackawanna repainted a whole lot of box cars gray with maroon stenciling in the early '60s, but that's out of era for the STMFC list. Richard Hendrickson --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. |
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Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Art,
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In addition to the D&M cars mentioned by Mark, some Georgia Railroad cars were painted gray, or grey with black ends and roofs, including USRA rebuilds (as offered by Tichy). You can find a photo or two in Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS. The SP had some single-sheathed rebuilds with steel sides that may have been gray in revenue service. I have a photo of one I took in the 1960s which is not lettered for MW duty. I could still have been an MW car, as others of this series were MW (including one with a diagonal panel roof that sat behind the Roseville diesel shop for many years, and might still be there). Tony do you know anything about this? Kind regards, Garth G. Groff buchwaldfam wrote: Ok..... Not counting MOW equipment, does anyone know of any early-mid 1950s general service box cars which were actually painted gray? No, not kidding here... I keep seeing the photos of the models in primer in Essential Freight Cars, and have grown kind of partial to that "paint scheme"! (That was the root of my question from a few months ago about that light colored box car in Mr. Hom's RPCyc X29 article!) I actually picked up a gray Walthers Pullman "waffle side" box car, but that doesn't count here. :) |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Garth Groff wrote:
The SP had some single-sheathed rebuilds with steel sides that may haveI seriously doubt that it was gray in revenue service. I know of no data confirming such, though there WERE three B-50-24 (Overnight type) box cars in TWO-TONE gray for passenger head-end service. Starting in about 1960, SP changed its MOW color from BCR to gray, so any gray car after that day is almost certainly in, or destined for, MOW duty. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Doug Brown <brown194@...>
And out of this groups range.
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From: Anthony Thompson [mailto:thompson@...] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:29 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LL 50' DD Box Part Number Garth Groff wrote: The SP had some single-sheathed rebuilds with steel sides that mayhave been gray in revenue service. I have a photo of one I took in the1960s which is not lettered for MW duty. I could still have been an MW car,roof that sat behind the Roseville diesel shop for many years, and mightI seriously doubt that it was gray in revenue service. I know of no data confirming such, though there WERE three B-50-24 (Overnight type) box cars in TWO-TONE gray for passenger head-end service. Starting in about 1960, SP changed its MOW color from BCR to gray, so any gray car after that day is almost certainly in, or destined for, MOW duty. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Mark Heiden
Hi Garth,
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I had forgotten about the Georgia Railroad USRA rebuilds. Oddly enough, I downloaded a scan of GA 19500, circa 1957; it was a sldie available for sale on Ebay last week or so. I uploaded it to the Files section, with the filename GA 19500-boxcar-1957.jpg . It's not a great scan, but it's one more gray boxcar. Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@..., Garth Groff <ggg9y@v...> wrote:
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
Thanks for the help on this one! I'd seriously like to paint a
gray car. Plus, the D&M car can use up one of the old IMWX 1937 box cars that I have which have the older pre-"Phoebe" lettering! Best regards, Phil buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "buchwaldfam" <duff@g...> wrote: mid 1950s general service box cars which were actually painted gray?No, not kidding here... I keep seeing the photos of the models inprimer in Essential Freight Cars, and have grown kind of partial toside" box car, but that doesn't count here. :)this helps.Larry Grubb |
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Michael Aufderheide
Phil,
Another gray car would be the Monon 1200-1225 painted in 1948. These had Evans load restraints installed and it has been said that they were intended for service at a Louisville appliance plant. I have a conductors log, though, showing this car loaded with merchandise. Champ makes a set of decals for them: HB-23. Mont Switzer had an article in the March 1994 RMC. You would use a red caboose car now. If you can find them, Des Plaines Hobbies painted IMWX cars for this scheme in the mid 90s. Mike Aufderheide --- buchwaldfam <duff@...> wrote:
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Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Phil and Mike,
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I just thought of some others. The MoPac had a number of 40' gray boxcars, I believe in salt service. I'm at work right now, so I can't be 100% sure, but I seem to recall at least some of these had so-called "dart-naught" ends. Pictures appeared in various boxcar articles in the old M-DING and RMJ. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Mike Aufderheide wrote: Phil, |
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
For my layout, I'm planning out a version of the Milwaukee
Road "Beer Line", in the early '50s. Schusters, a local department store, had a warehouse on this branch, and sold appliances, so that car would fit right in! I've got (yet another) "closeout" order in with Champ, and thought that I had ordered this set, but I checked and I've ordered HB-143, which is the white stripe car. Have to go back with another order... bummer.... :) Thanks again! Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide <mononinmonon@y...> wrote: Phil, |
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