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--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@o...> wrote: "Wood running boards were not coated
with car cement and granules .... Reefer running boards were painted
black, box car running boards were mineral brown .... after metal
running boards became mandatory .....in 1944, some galvanized metal
running boards were not painted and were applied after the roofs
were coated on new and rebuilt cars, while others were applied first
and coated with car cement like the rest of the roof."
I'm still confused regarding running boards in general. In one of
the other Ed's RPCs it stated wooden roof walks usually weren't
painted. You can see the grain of the wood in almost every B&W photo
I can recall.
Can some of you older, "been there, done that" guys comment on this
for the "golden era" of steam (say 1945-1950).
A few months ago someone in this group gave a link to a site of
photos from a guy who road freights ni the '50s and '60s. When I
asked him this question (about wood roof walks being painted) he
wrote he didn't remember but refered to them as "cat walks".
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ed Mines wrote:
I'm still confused regarding running boards in general. In one ofI doubt it. Most roof shots I've seen from that era show the running boards the SAME color as the roof surface. I can't think of one UNAMBIGUOUS unpainted wood running board.
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On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 01:50 PM, ed_mines wrote:
I'm still confused regarding running boards in general. In one ofEd,
The general statement about running boards "usually being unpainted"
was made in RP CYC Volume 3 in an article by Pat Wider on box car
painting practices. This statement was based on a large number of AC&F
painting specifications per bills of materials for cars built 1931 to
the mid-1940s for cars equipped with wood running boards. In the same
paragraph it is stated that exceptions included running boards painted
the same basic car color (ATSF), black (GN), or preservative called
Termiteol (IC and NP). I really don't know to what extent Pat made the
calculations and whether it was based on total numbers of cars built
with painted/unpainted wood running boards or total orders (i.e., lot
numbers) having painted/unpainted wood running boards.
Subsequent to RP CYC Volume 3 being published, I acquired the bills of
materials for Pullman-Standard cars built 1929-1947 at Bessemer,
Alabama, plus a number of cars built at Butler, Pa. Of the box car
orders equipped with wood running boards during this time period per
these bills of materials, approximately 62% of the orders specified
running boards to be painted (either brown or red paint) or coated with
car cement (only one order with black car cement). Nearly all of these
orders specifying painted wood running boards occurred between 1929 and
early 1938. After this time the vast majority of orders with wood
running boards did not specify them to be painted. Incidentally, the
final box car order built at the Bessemer facility and equipped with
wood running boards was for CGW (lot 5805, built 9-45). When taking
into account the quantity of cars built, there were 10,045 cars with
painted wood running boards and 12,469 box cars with unpainted wood
running boards. Thus, counting orders with painted/unpainted running
boards vs. the quantity of cars built with painted/unpainted running
boards yield quite different answers.
Interestingly, one order for P&LE and LS&I box cars (lot 5625, built
7-40) stated only the edges of the wood running board to be painted
with the same paint used on the car sides, but it specifically denoted
that the top of the running board was not to be painted. These cars
were built to NYC's general painting practices at the time.
I want to emphasize this assessment is a sample of painting practices
used on new cars. The data does not include repainted cars and how wood
running boards may or may not have been painted in company shops. I
hope this sheds a little light on some general tendencies of the
industry on a sample of new cars built during the time period of the
1930s to mid-1940s. For modeling a specific car depicting a prototype
car at a specific point in time, these general industry tendencies
really don't mean all that much. It's the general tendencies and
practices of the railroad that matters most.
David J. Starr <dstarrboston@...>
Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 01:50 PM, ed_mines wrote:Could this have been a safety thing? Unpainted wood might offer better traction under foot than painted wood? Especially in the rain?I'm still confused regarding running boards in general. In one ofEd,
If unpainted they would weather out to somewhere between driftwood grey and black, depending upon the level of soot coming back from the stack. A model boxcar with a contrasting roof walk would be more eye catching than the usual boxcar red overall paint scheme.
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