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ATSF Covered Hoppers
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Bruce
I am working on some Bowser and Kato two bay, 70 ton
covered hoppers. According to information that Richard Hendrickson has posted on the Santa Fe Society web site, these two models come fairly close to the Santa Fe covered hoppers. Mr. Hendrickson lists the following classes that these cars could be used for; Ga-45, Ga-52, Ga-58, Ga-65 and Ga-75. I want to model the covered hoppers in the Ga-45 to Ga-65 era. The Bowser and Kato models that I have, are of the open side hopper. I have been searching through the books that I have and the web; but I have not been able to find any pictures of these cars. Save for one photo in A Santa Fe Society publication of a closed sided covered hopper. Two questions: Does anyone know of any sources that I could find photos of the ATSF open sided covered hoppers in the 1940-1950 era? Secondly can anyone tell me what would be the proper trucks for the Ga-42, 52, 58 and 65 classes. Thanks for any help. Bruce Bruce R. Brantner, Sr. Coyote Trails RR Coyote Div. of SF RR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Ed Hawkins
On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 08:17 PM, Bruce Brantner wrote:
<SNIP> Two questions:Bruce, If you're looking to do an open-sided Santa Fe car, the Ga-58 and Ga-65 should be eliminated as they had closed sides. A photo of a Ga-65 appears in Railmodel Journal Aug. 1991 (page 45) and a W. C. Whittaker photo of a Ga-58 shows it had closed sides. The Ga-42 isn't a covered hopper. You probably meant Ga-45, which was an early covered hopper but with smaller hatches, 24" x 33" compared to 36" square hatches of the more common arrangement. The Ga-45s had open sides but also had a pair of fittings on the sides that the other cars don't have (called poke holes). Photos of the Ga-45 appear in the the April 1991 RMJ. The only Santa Fe open-sided car "closely matching" the 1,958 cu.ft. cars offered by Kato and Bowser are the Ga-52s built by GATC in 1940. However, I'm yet to find a photo of a car from the series. Chances are good Richard has one or more. The GA-52s came with Barber Stabilized S-2 trucks. Oh, I forgot to mention that the Ga-52 cars (as well as many other Santa Fe 70-ton covered hoppers of this general type) had roofs with seam caps, unlike the flat roofs on the Bowser and Kato models. Martin Lofton offers cast urethane roofs for these cars with seam caps. One year it came as a Naperville mini-kit complete with Santa Fe decals. The kit conversion is meant to be used with the Bowser model. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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buchwaldfam <duff@...>
There's a photo of Ga-45 #182009 in the Nov/Dec, 1983 Model
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RailroadING, on page 48. You can clearly see the two poke holes, however the photo is not close enough to see any detail of these. But the photo does show their location. Going back to the June, 1979 issue of Prototype Modeler, there is a good article on ATSF covered 2-bay hoppers by William C. Messecar. There's a clear side view photo of a Ga-52 car (#182024) on page 6, and nice, clear top view of a car on page 14, showing the roof seam caps as well as details of the roof hatches. The hatches have pressed raised panels similar to a Murphy rectangular roof. I don't know if this is a Ga-52, but it does show the seam caps. There's a set of plans scattered through the article. They're labeled "Class Ga-52" and show the cutout side panels unique to these first two classes, however they don't show any seam caps on the roof. So take them with a grain of salt. Finally, the author makes reference to a June, 1955 Model RailroadER article which included a plan set for the Ga-45. Hope this helps! Phil Buchwald
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Ed Hawkins wrote
The Ga-42 isn't a covered hopper. You probably meant Ga-45, which wasPecos River Brass imported a Ga-45 model and it has the smaller hatches (which open towards the ends) and IIRC lacked the latch bars that are modeled on later GA/ACF hoppers. The model came with a data sheet with a photo of ATSF 182009. There were only 10 cars, built in 1936... Tim O'Connor
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charles slater
Bruce I sent you some pictures of the Ga-45 and 52 class covered hoppers including roof shots of the Ga-52. I tried to send it to the list but I guess it was too large. Let me know if you recieved them, if not I can try again later.
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Charlie Slater Bakersfield, Ca.
From: Bruce Brantner <sfcoyote_2000@...>
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Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Charles, you can't send them to the list have to post them to the files
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section. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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From: "charles slater" <atsfcondr42@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] ATSF Covered Hoppers Bruce I sent you some pictures of the Ga-45 and 52 class covered hoppers
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