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Stupid eBay Tricks
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benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Today's latest example of not thinking:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992567106 A $33 bid on an available $30 kit that Al Westerfield gets in your mailbox in less than a week. If the bidder is on this list, you might want to reconsider - the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the manufacturer never sees a dime of these inflated prices. Ben Hom
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Paul Lyons
Ben, Wait till he pays the shipping from Canada!
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Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA
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From: benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:08:41 -0000 Subject: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks Today's latest example of not thinking: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992567106 A $33 bid on an available $30 kit that Al Westerfield gets in your mailbox in less than a week. If the bidder is on this list, you might want to reconsider - the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the manufacturer never sees a dime of these inflated prices. Ben Hom Yahoo! Groups Links
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Thomas Baker
You ain't seen nothin' till you've seen what some of the old S-gauge kits, for that matter, some of the new ones bring on e-bay. One wonders exactly who bids on this stuff. I conclude that it must be a matter of great ego, expecially when one can obtain the same thing from Sunshine, Westerfield, or Gold Coast Models.
Tom ________________________________ From: STMFC@... on behalf of benjaminfrank_hom Sent: Tue 8/16/2005 12:08 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks Today's latest example of not thinking: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992567106 A $33 bid on an available $30 kit that Al Westerfield gets in your mailbox in less than a week. If the bidder is on this list, you might want to reconsider - the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the manufacturer never sees a dime of these inflated prices. Ben Hom Yahoo! Groups Links
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Paul Lyons
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:12:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tomtherailnut@... writes: Frankly, the LAST thing Martin wants to do is reissue a lot of his older models. First, new moulds would be required in most cases, and second, the secondary market would drive the first kits value down. This would hurt his entire business. There is a lot of value in being desired and sought after - just ask any pretty woman! I find this the most puzzling statement I have ever read! All of the Sunshine kits being propose by Clark to be re-released by Sunshine have long since been discontinued and of course would require new masters and molds. That is the exact point of the statement. From Sunshine's point of view, that makes it a "new" kit and I doubt weather Martin cares one way or the other if it is an old "new" kit or a brand new effort, as long as the demand is there to make it a good seller. I agree, issuing a "new" kit of an earlier product would completely destroy secondary maket value of the original kit, but since Sunshine no longer carries these early kits in there product line, I have no idea how this "would hurt his entire business" Even a pretty women can sometimes use a facelift! Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA
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David Ball
Call me a cold hard capitalist, but if the bidder is prepared to bid the
price, they must be happy (at that point) to pay the price (and we haven't seen the end price yet!). It would only take a quick Goggle search to find Al's website, even if you didn't know it exists As an aside, not living in the US, I am prepared to pay an inflated price for a Sunshine kit on eBay because: 1. You actually know your going to get it in a week. 2. Since (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you can't get Sunshine kits by paying by credit card or Paypal, I would have to get an international bank cheque/money order. Therefore I'm prepared to factor that cost into a bid price 3. I don't have access to other secondary markets other than the likes of this list. In fact for that matter I don't have access to getting them direct in anyway other that mail order (ie, meets, etc) David Ball (from across the Pacific, and down a bit) _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of benjaminfrank_hom Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2005 4:09 a.m. To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks Today's latest example of not thinking: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992567106> &item=5992567106 A $33 bid on an available $30 kit that Al Westerfield gets in your mailbox in less than a week. If the bidder is on this list, you might want to reconsider - the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the manufacturer never sees a dime of these inflated prices. Ben Hom _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "STMFC <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____
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Pete Brown \(YahooGroups\) <YahooLists@...>
Recently, someone paid almost $200 for a Bachmann WM consolidation. You can
get them new for around $75. Pete _____________________________________________________ Pete Brown - Gambrills, MD (Near Annapolis) Visit my personal site : http://www.irritatedVowel.com (wallpaper, western maryland ry, .net, photography, model rr) _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of benjaminfrank_hom Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:09 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks Today's latest example of not thinking: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992567106> &item=5992567106 A $33 bid on an available $30 kit that Al Westerfield gets in your mailbox in less than a week. If the bidder is on this list, you might want to reconsider - the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the manufacturer never sees a dime of these inflated prices. Ben Hom
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Bill Darnaby
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
- the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the If Martin would just reissue those rebuild boxcars in today's kit standards guys like me, who missed most of them the first time, wouldn't have to bid on them, Martin could make some money and those old kits would be worthless. Bill Darnaby
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Pete,
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Send me his address, I've got a Westrail 50T, 53'6" NP flatcar I'll sell him for $200.00. Rob Manley "Better modeling through personal embarassment"
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From: Pete Brown (YahooGroups) To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks Recently, someone paid almost $200 for a Bachmann WM consolidation. You can get them new for around $75. Pete _____________________________________________________ Pete Brown - Gambrills, MD (Near Annapolis) Visit my personal site : http://www.irritatedVowel.com (wallpaper, western maryland ry, .net, photography, model rr) _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of benjaminfrank_hom Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:09 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks Today's latest example of not thinking: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992567106> &item=5992567106 A $33 bid on an available $30 kit that Al Westerfield gets in your mailbox in less than a week. If the bidder is on this list, you might want to reconsider - the saddest part about the escalation of resin kit prices on the secondary market (especially Sunshine) is that the manufacturer never sees a dime of these inflated prices. Ben Hom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tom Jones III <tomtherailnut@...>
The prices are not inflated. They are the current value - just as an antique
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car ojten escalates in value, so do some of these great kits. The best part is that the kits escalate in price - this keeps the manufacturer's market keen on purchasing new! Wouldn't you prefer to buy something that you know will keep its value? Certainly Athearn or MDC are worth less six months or six years after sale, but Sunshine holds its value nicely. That is one reason I prefer to purchase Sunshine kits - even if I die before I get them all built (which I most assuredly will do!), my family is not stuck with a bunch of $.50 hunks of plastic. Frankly, the LAST thing Martin wants to do is reissue a lot of his older models. First, new moulds would be required in most cases, and second, the secondary market would drive the first kits value down. This would hurt his entire business. There is a lot of value in being desired and sought after - just ask any pretty woman! Tom
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From: "william darnaby" <WDarnaby@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks standards guys like me, who missed most of them the first time, wouldn't have to bidworthless.
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Jan Podganski, Jr. <webercanyon@...>
Why should anyone care what another person does? His reason's are his
own and since we don't have all the information, who are we to judge him? Let's get back freight cars, after all, that's why were here.
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Personally I bought too many Sunshine kits (and still do!)
from the very beginning because I wanted Martin to succeed so he'd make even more kits. I really think the "time value" is important -- many times I have waited 2 ... 3 ... even 4 months before an order is filled. For an extra ten or even twenty bucks, if I didn't have a pile of unbuilt kits, I'd happily pay that to be able to receive a kit in 1 week. And a point about rising resale value -- it does reassure buyers of new products that even if they're not sure that they want a kit, they can be pretty sure they won't lose any money. I'll bet that helps the sales figures! Tim O'Connor
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
David Ball wrote:
Call me a cold hard capitalist, but if the bidder is prepared to bid theAh yes, the mind goggles. <g> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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armprem
Tim,Any time you feel that you have too many unbuilt kits and wish to
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dispose of a few, you can always give me a call. Armand Premo
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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks
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rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@a... wrote:
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:12:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,All of the Sunshine kits being propose by Clark to be re-released by Sunshinehave long since been discontinued and of course would require new masters and molds.Wait a minute, I wasn't involved in this thread. Anyway when I buy a Sunshine kit I put it togther. What are they worth?? Clark Propst
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Clark Propst wrote
Whatever the market will bear, Clark. I have seen kitsAnyway when I buy a Sunshine kit I put it togther. go above $60 on Ebay... and built models go over $200. If you want some real fun, looked for "weathered" in the HO listings. It is not unusual to see unmodified, RTR freight cars with great weathering go for $200 over list price! For example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5992838123 With practice, most of us could earn a good living at this! I have seen Athearn "blue box" models go over $200! Tim O.
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Clark, you may have missed this one: A detailed Walthers spine car
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with 5 nice trailers... for $810! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5989346251
Wait a minute, I wasn't involved in this thread. Anyway when I buy a
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Paul Lyons
Sorry Clark, I got you and Bill confused.
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Paul Lyons
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From: rockroll50401 <cepropst@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:31:32 -0000 Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stupid eBay Tricks --- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@a... wrote: In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:12:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,All of the Sunshine kits being propose by Clark to be re-released by Sunshinehave long since been discontinued and of course would require new masters and molds.Wait a minute, I wasn't involved in this thread. Anyway when I buy a Sunshine kit I put it togther. What are they worth?? Clark Propst Yahoo! Groups Links
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Tom Jones III <tomtherailnut@...>
Touche!
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Tom
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks I have no idea howuse a facelift!
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David Ball
You can ask my high school English teacher about my spelling!
Dave _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2005 6:18 p.m. To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stupid eBay Tricks David Ball wrote: Call me a cold hard capitalist, but if the bidder is prepared to bidAh yes, the mind goggles. <g> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "STMFC <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:STMFC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____
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oliver
Yeah, even by his standards that must have been a windfall. The guy is
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fantastic, but that's crazy! Stefan
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