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B&O stenciling and decal nitpicking
lnbill <bwelch@...>
I am in the process of decaling Sunshine's B&O's M27f and M15k and I
notice that near the handgrabs on the left end of each side there is is
a small rectangular stencil
This is not included in the decals of either. Does a decal exit for
this stencil somehwere in another set?
Bill Welch
notice that near the handgrabs on the left end of each side there is is
a small rectangular stencil
This is not included in the decals of either. Does a decal exit for
this stencil somehwere in another set?
Bill Welch
rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
Bill Welch wrote:
I believe the answer is no, something for the B&OHS to consider. It is
a stencil with the painting information: such as the manufacturer use,
the date, etc. My understanding is that Chris Barkan did the masters
for Sunshine and in our prior discussions he was unaware of this stencil.
I possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copied this
information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from my
field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars last
painted in 1955 and 1956. I also have the sheet that explains the
information in the stencil. Unfortunately, many photographs have too
little resolution to resolve this small lettering.
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
If there are well resolved photos may be Ted Culotta can perform his
magic and create decals from the photos. It would be a nice addition
for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s, unfortunately beyond the period
modeled by both Ted and Chris.
Always more question than answers ...
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
P.S. Remember the Class M-15K only ran until ~1955. After 1955 all
these wagon-top boxcars received new AAR style underframes and
received new sub-classes. This happened all at once so there is very
little overlap where both types of cars ran concurrently.
I am in the process of decaling Sunshine's B&O's M27f and M15k and IBill,
notice that near the handgrabs on the left end of each side there is is
a small rectangular stencil
This is not included in the decals of either. Does a decal exit for
this stencil somehwere in another set?
I believe the answer is no, something for the B&OHS to consider. It is
a stencil with the painting information: such as the manufacturer use,
the date, etc. My understanding is that Chris Barkan did the masters
for Sunshine and in our prior discussions he was unaware of this stencil.
I possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copied this
information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from my
field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars last
painted in 1955 and 1956. I also have the sheet that explains the
information in the stencil. Unfortunately, many photographs have too
little resolution to resolve this small lettering.
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
If there are well resolved photos may be Ted Culotta can perform his
magic and create decals from the photos. It would be a nice addition
for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s, unfortunately beyond the period
modeled by both Ted and Chris.
Always more question than answers ...
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
P.S. Remember the Class M-15K only ran until ~1955. After 1955 all
these wagon-top boxcars received new AAR style underframes and
received new sub-classes. This happened all at once so there is very
little overlap where both types of cars ran concurrently.
Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
Bob;
So, did the M-15K get new underframes and run as a new sub-class? Did
their outward appearance (aside from underframe) change significantly?
What numbers were they, and when did they run up to?
Thanks!
Elden Gatwood
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So, did the M-15K get new underframes and run as a new sub-class? Did
their outward appearance (aside from underframe) change significantly?
What numbers were they, and when did they run up to?
Thanks!
Elden Gatwood
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O stenciling and decal nitpicking
Bill Welch wrote:
I believe the answer is no, something for the B&OHS to consider. It is
a stencil with the painting information: such as the manufacturer use,
the date, etc. My understanding is that Chris Barkan did the masters
for Sunshine and in our prior discussions he was unaware of this
stencil.
I possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copied this
information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from my
field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars last
painted in 1955 and 1956. I also have the sheet that explains the
information in the stencil. Unfortunately, many photographs have too
little resolution to resolve this small lettering.
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
If there are well resolved photos may be Ted Culotta can perform his
magic and create decals from the photos. It would be a nice addition
for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s, unfortunately beyond the period
modeled by both Ted and Chris.
Always more question than answers ...
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
P.S. Remember the Class M-15K only ran until ~1955. After 1955 all
these wagon-top boxcars received new AAR style underframes and
received new sub-classes. This happened all at once so there is very
little overlap where both types of cars ran concurrently.
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rwitt_2000
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:15 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O stenciling and decal nitpicking
Bill Welch wrote:
I am in the process of decaling Sunshine's B&O's M27f and M15k and Iis
notice that near the handgrabs on the left end of each side there is
a small rectangular stencilBill,
This is not included in the decals of either. Does a decal exit for
this stencil somehwere in another set?
I believe the answer is no, something for the B&OHS to consider. It is
a stencil with the painting information: such as the manufacturer use,
the date, etc. My understanding is that Chris Barkan did the masters
for Sunshine and in our prior discussions he was unaware of this
stencil.
I possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copied this
information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from my
field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars last
painted in 1955 and 1956. I also have the sheet that explains the
information in the stencil. Unfortunately, many photographs have too
little resolution to resolve this small lettering.
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
If there are well resolved photos may be Ted Culotta can perform his
magic and create decals from the photos. It would be a nice addition
for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s, unfortunately beyond the period
modeled by both Ted and Chris.
Always more question than answers ...
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
P.S. Remember the Class M-15K only ran until ~1955. After 1955 all
these wagon-top boxcars received new AAR style underframes and
received new sub-classes. This happened all at once so there is very
little overlap where both types of cars ran concurrently.
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--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:
<snip>
Your comment that "(i)t would be a nice addition for lettering B&O
cars for the 1950s" leads me to think WWII, but since I have one of
these cars and am modeling before WWII I need clarification.
Thanks,
Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California
<snip>
Bill,manufacturer use, the date, etc. <snip>
<snip>It is a stencil with the painting information: such as the
I possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copiedBob, did you mean to say the lettering started just after WWI or WWII?
this information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from
my field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars
last painted in 1955 and 1956. <snip>
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
<snip>
It would be a nice addition for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s
<snip>.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
Your comment that "(i)t would be a nice addition for lettering B&O
cars for the 1950s" leads me to think WWII, but since I have one of
these cars and am modeling before WWII I need clarification.
Thanks,
Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California
lnbill <bwelch@...>
Thanks for responding Bob
I will nudge Ted to consider this little detail decal. It makes the
most sense to combine this with other desireable little decal details
of a similar nature. More ideas would be appreciated form others I am
sure.
Bill
--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:
I will nudge Ted to consider this little detail decal. It makes the
most sense to combine this with other desireable little decal details
of a similar nature. More ideas would be appreciated form others I am
sure.
Bill
--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:
Bill Welch wrote:and II am in the process of decaling Sunshine's B&O's M27f and M15k
is isnotice that near the handgrabs on the left end of each side there
fora small rectangular stencil
This is not included in the decals of either. Does a decal exit
isthis stencil somehwere in another set?Bill,
I believe the answer is no, something for the B&OHS to consider. It
a stencil with the painting information: such as the manufactureruse,
the date, etc. My understanding is that Chris Barkan did themasters
for Sunshine and in our prior discussions he was unaware of thisstencil.
this
I possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copied
information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from myaddition
field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars last
painted in 1955 and 1956. I also have the sheet that explains the
information in the stencil. Unfortunately, many photographs have too
little resolution to resolve this small lettering.
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
If there are well resolved photos may be Ted Culotta can perform his
magic and create decals from the photos. It would be a nice
for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s, unfortunately beyond theperiod
modeled by both Ted and Chris.very
Always more question than answers ...
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
P.S. Remember the Class M-15K only ran until ~1955. After 1955 all
these wagon-top boxcars received new AAR style underframes and
received new sub-classes. This happened all at once so there is
little overlap where both types of cars ran concurrently.
Scott Pitzer
Those little triangle outlines with data inside, for NYC.
Those IC thingies with the dotted line rectangles. (When I needed one I had to make the rectangle out of the dotted line that separated 40' and 50' box car data on a Champ sheet.)
Scott Pitzer
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I will nudge Ted to consider this little detail decal. It makes the
most sense to combine this with other desireable little decal details
of a similar nature. More ideas would be appreciated from others I am
sure.
Bill
Those IC thingies with the dotted line rectangles. (When I needed one I had to make the rectangle out of the dotted line that separated 40' and 50' box car data on a Champ sheet.)
Scott Pitzer
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I will nudge Ted to consider this little detail decal. It makes the
most sense to combine this with other desireable little decal details
of a similar nature. More ideas would be appreciated from others I am
sure.
Bill
rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "wmcclark1980" <walterclark@e...> wrote:
start date.
Bob Witt
--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:Yes, it should be WWII. I will need more photos to narrow the actual
<snip>Bill,manufacturer use, the date, etc. <snip>
<snip>It is a stencil with the painting information: such as theI possibly have the raw material to make decals as I have copiedBob, did you mean to say the lettering started just after WWI or WWII?
this information from probably over 100 cars, mostly box cars, from
my field observations made in the 1960s. I have examples for cars
last painted in 1955 and 1956. <snip>
Just last evening I was looking at some Xerox copies of M-55 boxcars
someone kindly sent me and it looks like there may be a start date
just after WWI when the B&O actually began to apply this stencil.
<snip>
It would be a nice addition for lettering B&O cars for the 1950s
<snip>.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob Witt
Your comment that "(i)t would be a nice addition for lettering B&O
cars for the 1950s" leads me to think WWII, but since I have one of
these cars and am modeling before WWII I need clarification.
Thanks,
Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California
start date.
Bob Witt