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Wine car ops
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Richard Townsend
Forgot to mention that the vehicles in the picture appear to be from the twenties, so it is likely that the photo is from the early post-prohibition days.
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richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:
I have a book about the Santa Clara Valley wine industry that contains a photo of four single-dome tank cars being loaded with Mirassou wine in San Jose. �One is GATX 3827. �The others do not have legible reporting marks, but one is a high-walkway car. �It looks like they trucked the aging casks to the siding, and pumped wine from the casks to the tank cars. --
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Richard Townsend
I have a book about the Santa Clara Valley wine industry that contains a photo of four single-dome tank cars being loaded with Mirassou wine in San Jose. One is GATX 3827. The others do not have legible reporting marks, but one is a high-walkway car. It looks like they trucked the aging casks to the siding, and pumped wine from the casks to the tank cars.
-- Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon Roger Parry <uncleroger@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Would Wine cars of any number of domes be appropriate for the 1930's ? __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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Richard Hendrickson
On Sep 25, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Roger Parry wrote:
Would Wine cars of any number of domes be appropriate for the 1930's ?Depends on when in the 1930s. Obviously, bulk wine wasn't shipped at all until after the repeal of prohibition in 1933. However, three compartment insulated, glass lined tank cars for wine shipments were built by both AC&F and GATC as early as 1937, though six compartment cars didn't begin to appear until 1939. Richard Hendrickson
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Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
Would Wine cars of any number of domes be appropriate for the 1930's ?
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On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:26 PM, Mr Charles burns wrote:
Hello Tim ,All
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On Sep 23, 2005, at 10:46 AM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:
Couldn't a six-compartment tank car make as many as six deliveriesSorry but when I was a clerk on the UPRR you were allowed 2 stops en- route. You paid the freight on the whole car to the finial stop and a stop fee for each stop. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia.net It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them.
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Andy Carlson
I remember this shot. Wine cars seemed to outnumber
all other cars. I recall that the cars were mostly different, with 2, 3, 4 and 6 domes, various dome configurations, and different tank profiles. A modeled scene with 30 or more identical 6 dome tank cars might make some of us uncomfortable, and we are still left looking at kitbashing/scratch building. I look at freight train consists in vintage photos and I am aware that though lots of the cars are available (in HO), many are not. Resin continues to be our best resource for fleshing out consists, and shall be into the future, as styrene cars most likely will never completely fill this gap. -Andy Carlson --- Mr Charles burns <cjburns1957@yahoo.com> wrote: There was some discussion of winecars on this lista while back, and one post {gatx417?}had a Bob Morrisme to build a 6 dome wine car for my N scale 64'
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Couldn't a six-compartment tank car make as many as six deliveries
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to customers? I forget the name for this type of tarriff but I think that cars could make multiple stops to drop partial cargos. So if there were a small bottler in Gridley who buys wine in 1,000 gallon lots (enough for 1,000 large jugs of wine), then that might work... If you think about it, a small town of 1,000 people on average consumes somewhere around that amount of wine every year. Tim O'Connor
Because it developed a hotbox enroute from California to NY and had to
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Mr Charles burns
Hello Tim ,All
There was some discussion of winecars on this list a while back, and one post {gatx417?}had a Bob Morris photo of Fresno with many wine cars in view. So for the central valley in the 50s-60s at least,wine cars were not an oddity. This is enough of an excuse for me to build a 6 dome wine car for my N scale 64' Coastline layout. Charlie Burns --- Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@sunlink.net> wrote: Richard Hendrickson wrote:http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/9MtolB/TMon branch lines in --------------------------------------------------------------------~->
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Richard Hendrickson
On Sep 21, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Andreas Kühnpast wrote:
....Would wine have been sent in barrels in reefers or would it haveBoth, depending on what the consignee wanted. Relatively small lots of several different wines would have gone in barrels in refrigerator cars (which weren't iced, or at least weren't iced much, since the objective was to maintain a constant "cellar temperature" around ±60° F). Even the separate compartments in a six compartment wine tank car held more than 1,000 gals. each, and that's a LOT of wine. Relatively few consignees were in a position to have bulk wine shipped in such large quantities. Richard Hendrickson
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Miller,Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
If you believe their current TV ad, they ship their beer in a special
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stainless steel train with a bullet-nose steam engine leaking refrigerant from every car! regards, Andy Miller
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljack70117@adelphia.net Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:36 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wine car ops On Sep 22, 2005, at 7:47 AM, armand wrote: Now if beer had been transported in tank cars,I might beIt is is it not? Coors ships a lot of beer to the east coast for bottling. How does it go there? Although you use the term Beer very very loosely when you use it with the name Coors. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia.net
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ljack70117@...
On Sep 22, 2005, at 7:47 AM, armand wrote:
Now if beer had been transported in tank cars,I might beIt is is it not? Coors ships a lot of beer to the east coast for bottling. How does it go there? Although you use the term Beer very very loosely when you use it with the name Coors. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia.net I wish the buck stopped here as I could use a few
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Larry has already mentioned one leaking in a yard; how do you think they got
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that way? Seriously, I was using a camera at the time. -- Thanks! Brian Ehni
From: "Miller,Andrew S." <asmiller@mitre.org>
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Miller,Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
Brian,
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Is shooting a 40' Pfaudler milk car like shooting an intruder, or like shooting the bull ? ;-) regards, Andy Miller
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Paul Ehni Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:44 PM To: STMFC List Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wine car ops Not entirely useless. Chateau Martin owned at least one Pfaudler steel 40' car, which I shot in Pine Bluff, AK. #CMWX 1008 Sadly, the date falls outside the range of this discussion group (Jan 75). -- Brian Ehni
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Of course! But the fact remains that bulk wine travelled quite farI wonder sometimes whether the "abundant photographic evidence" and wide for the reasons Richard explained, and so the cars may be uncommon, but nevertheless -did- travel many routes. In fact there are still wine tank cars in service today, but they are big, black anonymous looking 25,000 gallon jobs (e.g. CWCX 00005, photographed at Canandiagua Wine in NY in 2004). Tim O'Connor
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Obviously, I made a mistake. AR is the abbreviation for Arkansas, not AK!
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LOL! (At least I know someone is reading these!!!!) -- Thanks! Brian Ehni
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armprem
Now if beer had been transported in tank cars,I might be
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interested.Armand Premo
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From: "Tim Gilbert" <tgilbert@sunlink.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wine car ops Richard Hendrickson wrote:I wonder sometimes whether the "abundant photographic evidence" is more
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ljack70117@...
On Sep 22, 2005, at 4:36 AM, Tim Gilbert wrote:
Richard Hendrickson wrote:We had one come through the Emporia Ks yard on the Santa Fe one night. It was leaking. Interesting night that night.I wonder sometimes whether the "abundant photographic evidence" is more Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia.net It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them.
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Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
I wonder sometimes whether the "abundant photographic evidence" is more related to the oddity of a car than to quantity. Tim Gilbert
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Old Sourdough <pmeaton@...>
At 10:44 PM 9/21/2005 -0500, Brian wrote:
"Not entirely useless. Chateau Martin owned at least one Pfaudler steel 40' car, which I shot in Pine Bluff, AK. #CMWX 1008 Sadly, the date falls outside the range of this discussion group (Jan 75)." -- Brian Ehni ====================== Brian, I wish that I had known you were in Alaska photographing wine cars. I would have shown you a few other oddities that your camera may have liked. Many of those would have fit the time frame of this list, even in 1975. I would have had a great deal of trouble finding Pine Bluff, though. I don't think we have a town by that name here. Paul Eaton The Old Sourdough Ruksakinmakiak, Alaska, US of A
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PBowers <waiting@...>
At 11:38 PM 9/21/05, you wrote: If we can get injection-molded styrene
"conversation pieces" like Pfaudler milk reefers, which are entirelyRichard, Thank you for your excellent response! I have no problem with the production of models of any car. I also now better understand that the car fits well into more areas than I thought it would. Maybe not into Canada but definitely into the areas you mention. I know that each area can claim cars that would never fit into a lot of areas. Before the local Canadian Pacific line to Owen Sound was abandoned we had "L" cars used for transporting glass. These assigned service cars were mostly MP cars, 6 MP and 1 CP car if I remember correctly. These cars were all modified bulk end flat cars. I doubt if this one has been modelled often. Outside of these cars, about the only conversation piece in our area was a vinegar car. I guess it all comes down to if someone is willing to produce a car, even if it fits on to only one line, someone will buy it. Being a hobby we can be as prototypical or off the wall as we want to be. What is obscure to one is common to another. One of the many things that makes this hobby so interesting! Peter Bowers -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/05
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