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Van Dorn ends
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Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
List,
Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help. Fred Freitas
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Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield
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From: Fred in Vt. To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends List, Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help. Fred Freitas SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Al Westerfield wrote:
Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting.If you do the B-50-4 version, Al, I'll buy one. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 14, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Al Westerfield wrote:Come on, Thompson, get real. The SP had ONE B-50-4 with a Van Dorn end which was almost certainly retired before or during World War II and you want to model it to run on your layout? Not, of course, that I want to deprive Al W. of a sale, but are you modeling the Southern Pacific Coast Line ca. 1953 or becoming a freight car model collector? The next thing we know, you'll be modeling N&W hopper cars.Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with VanIf you do the B-50-4 version, Al, I'll buy one. Richard Hendrickson
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Come on, Thompson, get real. The SP had ONE B-50-4 with a Van Dorn endRichard, Richard. Better cut back on the coffee <g>. Who said anything about running it on the layout? It's such a neat end, it will make a nice addition to my display case (a use you certainly understand for freight cars <bigger G>). Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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centga@...
The C of Ga had a series of cars with Van Dorn ends. I don't have my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I can dig it out. Todd Horton
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From: Westerfield <westerfield@charter.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred in Vt. To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends List, Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help. Fred Freitas SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Ed Mims
The Central of Georgia had 500 40-ton steel underframe box cars with
Van Dorn ends. They were in series 51001--51500, built by Standard Steel Car in August 1912 at Hammond, Indiana. There is an article with photos in the Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society's October-December 2001 issue of THE RIGHT WAY. Ed Mims Jacksonville,FL --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, centga@a... wrote: my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I can dig it out. Todd Horton Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but onlyone road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as Irecall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRRand 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annualmeeting. - Al Westerfieldavailable in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also,when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help.insurance International travel insuranceinsurance ----------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSof Service. -----------
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Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Todd - Yes, I'd very much like to see it. - Al Westerfield
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From: centga@aol.com To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends The C of Ga had a series of cars with Van Dorn ends. I don't have my information with me at the moment but if anyone is interested I can dig it out. Todd Horton
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Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Can someone scan the article for me? Thanks. - Al Westerfield
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From: Ed Mims To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Van Dorn ends The Central of Georgia had 500 40-ton steel underframe box cars with Van Dorn ends. They were in series 51001--51500, built by Standard Steel Car in August 1912 at Hammond, Indiana. There is an article with photos in the Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society's October-December 2001 issue of THE RIGHT WAY. Ed Mims Jacksonville,FL
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Walter M. Clark
Al,
Will you make the end available separately? Will they fit your SP B-50-4 kit? Was the car still in service at the end of 1941 (I know, it's really too much to hope for)? And, probably an answer I could get simply by waiting until Tony's next SP Freight Cars book comes out but will ask now anyway, what number was the SP B-50-4? Thanks, Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Westerfield" <westerfield@c...> wrote: Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield ----- Original Message -----available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help. insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travelinsurance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSService. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Walter M. Clark
Al (and everyone else),
Oops. As soon as I hit "Send" I realized that you don't have a kit for the SP B-50-4 (I guess I was thinking about the B-50-6/9). Sorry for the wasted bandwith. Walt --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "wmcclark1980" <walterclark@e...> wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSService.
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Walter M. Clark
Me, too, Tony and Al (even if it was scrapped before November 1941).
Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote: but XL byonly one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting.If you do the B-50-4 version, Al, I'll buy one.
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Walter M. Clark
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:
Dorn end And, Richard, if all else fails I could letter it for my fictitiouswhich was almost certainly retired before or during World War II andRichard, Richard. Better cut back on the coffee <g>. Who said lumber mill railroad (I knew I'd find a use for those Rail Graphics custom decals sooner or later). Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Will you make the end available separately? Will they fit your SPThe car was shown in Cyc photos and was no. 84977. Al's kit for the B -50-6 is for a car which was enlarged in volume (though not in length) over the B-50-1 through -4 designs. And BTW, my records show that car no. 84977 was B-50-2, not B-50-4, though the two classes were quite similar. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Walt - I intend to make the pattern so that, like the prototype, it will fit any size car of the period. And of course, since I have the patterns for the B-50-4 I would be stupid not to do that version. If you check out the 1912 Cyc you will see that the SP car has the standard 2 lumber doors in the A end and no safety appliances, meaning it was built prior to July 1911. Unless someone can come up with the car card for it, there is no way to tell whether it even got safety appliances much less lasted to 1941. - Al
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From: wmcclark1980 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Van Dorn ends Al, Will you make the end available separately? Will they fit your SP B-50-4 kit? Was the car still in service at the end of 1941 (I know, it's really too much to hope for)? And, probably an answer I could get simply by waiting until Tony's next SP Freight Cars book comes out but will ask now anyway, what number was the SP B-50-4? Thanks, Walter M. Clark Time stopped in November 1941 Riverside, California --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Westerfield" <westerfield@c...> wrote: > > Fred - I've been working on a project to do a number of cars with Van Dorn ends. They were used on at least 4 different cars circa 1912 but only one road used them in any quantity - an IC 1-1/2 door auto car with, as I recall, 350 cars. All others were minor experiments: 1 B-50-4 for SP, 25 XL for PRR and 1 MILW. I'm hoping to have the XL by next May for the PRRT&HS annual meeting. - Al Westerfield > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fred in Vt. > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:14 PM > Subject: [STMFC] Van Dorn ends > > > List, > > Have the unusual Van Dorn patent car ends ever been made available in HO? The ends are the ones that resemble a bullseye target. Also, when were these last seen in service? Thanks to those who can help. > > Fred Freitas > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance > Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Worldwide travel insurance Travel trailer insurance International travel insurance Travel insurance usa Travel medical insurance Csa travel insurance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "STMFC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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