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Question about a RI PS-1 box car
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Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period. I'm going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to this one car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others. Thanks.
Mike Brock STMFC Head Judge From Mark: I'm looking for some information about an order of Rock Island 40ft PS-1 boxcars that was built in 1963. The cars are undoubtedly steam-era: 40ft long, running boards, friction bearing trucks, etc. The Rock received 2300 PS-1s like this between 1960 and 1965.
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SamClarke
In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our diagram
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books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so some of the road numbers are hard to read. Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the door openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body styles. The doors are as Ed mentioned. Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others have Apex. Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco 27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing 28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax 29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were the generic modern styles (each make has their own little differences but generally look similar) but the housings are not generic looking.. Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A 27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3 27750-27849, and others National C-1 The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly black and the running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than likely black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products
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From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car
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Ed Hawkins
On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:
Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period.Mark, The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built circa October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois Railway Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this time period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored in an express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to gain access. The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars came with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-panel Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the hand brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are dated 1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red sides, and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears to be Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The roofs may have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I don't have conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often the case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes. A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber Stabilized trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 Railmodel Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control trucks. I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was published January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still applied to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, which give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated entirely with black car cement. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Mark Heiden
Hello Sam and Ed,
Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge). Thanks, Mark Heiden --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote: diagram books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times sosome of the road numbers are hard to read.door openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot bodystyles. have Apex. the generic modern styles (each make has their own little differences butgenerally look similar) but the housings are not generic looking..black and the running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more thanlikely black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.period. regard toI'm others.this one circaThanks.Mark, RailwayOctober. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois timeMuseum has the correspondence files for cars built during this in anperiod. However, be advised the documents are currently stored gainexpress reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to cameaccess. panelwith Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6- handSuperior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the datedbrakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are sides,1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red to beand the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears roofs mayApex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The don't havehave been coated with black car cement when new, however, I theconclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be Stabilizedcase, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes. Railmodeltrucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 trucks.Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control publishedI photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was appliedJanuary 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly whichto the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, entirelygive me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated with black car cement.
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SamClarke
Hello Mark,
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Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset. The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars. If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for you. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products
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From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@hotmail.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car Hello Sam and Ed,
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