Question about a RI PS-1 box car


Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period. I'm going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to this one car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others. Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Head Judge

From Mark:

I'm looking for
some information about an order of Rock Island 40ft PS-1 boxcars that
was built in 1963. The cars are undoubtedly steam-era: 40ft long,
running boards, friction bearing trucks, etc. The Rock received 2300 PS-1s like this between 1960 and 1965.


SamClarke
 

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our diagram
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the door
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than likely
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car



On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins









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Ed Hawkins
 

On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997 Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets, which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Mark Heiden
 

Hello Sam and Ed,

Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our
diagram
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so
some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the
door
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body
styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others
have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were
the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but
generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly
black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than
likely
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car



On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time
period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with
regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to
others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built
circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois
Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this
time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored
in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to
gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars
came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-
panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the
hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are
dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red
sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears
to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The
roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I
don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often
the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber
Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997
Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control
trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was
published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still
applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,
which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated
entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



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SamClarke
 

Hello Mark,

Glad to be of help. We have a nice close up slide of car #27471 from
Michael Bradley that shows the left side gusset.
The gussets look similar to some that are used on the later 50 foot
PS-1s. They are riveted, however, the top portion looks as though it is
under the side panel where no distinct seam appears but just a fold and
rivets. This is the way the drawings indicate on some of the 50 foot cars.
If you contact me directly off list I'll try and get some dimensions for
you.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@hotmail.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question about a RI PS-1 box car


Hello Sam and Ed,

Thanks for the information; this was exactly what I was looking
for! Do either of you know of any good pictures showing the door
gussets? I found a photo of RI 27560 on Fallen Flags, but it is
difficult to make out the shape of the gussets and whether they are
welded or riveted in place (although it does appear that the gusset
to the right of the door has rivets along the sloped edge).

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mail@k...> wrote:

In addition to Eds' information the following is from one of our
diagram
books. The page for this car has been copied a zillion times so
some of the
road numbers are hard to read.

Also note the reinforcing gussets at the bottom corners of the
door
openings which need to be added to any current PS-1 40 foot body
styles.

The doors are as Ed mentioned.

Running boards 27350-27599, 28100-28349 U.S. Gypsum, all others
have Apex.

Hand Brakes 27350-27599, 27850-28099, 28650-29149 Equipco
27600-27849, 28250-28349 Klasing
28100-28249, 28350-28649 Ajax
29250-29349 Ureco 29150-29249 Ellcon
Since these cars were built in 1963 the actual hand wheels were
the generic
modern styles (each make has their own little differences but
generally look
similar) but the housings are not generic looking..

Trucks 27350-27549, 28050-28249, 28350-28899, 29081 Barber S-2-A
27550-27749,27850-28049, 28900-29349 Ride Control A-3
27750-27849, and others National C-1

The few photos we have indicate that the ends are certainly
black and the
running boards are unpainted galvanized. The roofs were more than
likely
black but this is unconfirmed with the info we have.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@s...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question about a RI PS-1 box car



On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Heiden has a question about a car that is out of our time
period.
I'm
going to permit it's entry into discussion but only with
regard to
this one
car series and discussion will not be allowed to extend to
others.
Thanks.
Mark,
The 500 RI PS-1s built in 1963 were numbered 27350-27849, built
circa
October. Pullman-Standard lot number is 8847. The Illinois
Railway
Museum has the correspondence files for cars built during this
time
period. However, be advised the documents are currently stored
in an
express reefer on the grounds of the IRM and are difficult to
gain
access.

The first 200 cars came with Youngstown doors, the next 200 cars
came
with Pullman-Standard doors, and the last 100 cars came with 6-
panel
Superior doors. I don't have any definitive information on the
hand
brakes, trucks, and running boards as the RI diagrams I have are
dated
1962. Ends were coated with black car cement, freight car red
sides,
and the running boards were unpainted galvanized steel (appears
to be
Apex Tri-Lok or equivalent with rectangular open grid). The
roofs may
have been coated with black car cement when new, however, I
don't have
conclusive information on the roof color. The hand brakes may be
Equipco, but the wheel is the later "generic" style. As is often
the
case, there may have been multiple suppliers of hand brakes.

A photo of 27452 taken 1/64 shows the use of S-2-A Barber
Stabilized
trucks. A Dick Kuelbs color photo of 27657 (December 1997
Railmodel
Journal, page 4) shows a brand new car having A-3 Ride-Control
trucks.
I photographed 27570 myself in 1974 and the overhead view was
published
January 1994 RMJ on page 46. By this date the roof was mostly
unpainted galvanized steel with hints of black car cement still
applied
to the seam caps and other small portions of the roof sheets,
which
give me reason to believe the roofs were originally coated
entirely
with black car cement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins









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