Double Sheathed Box Cars


Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Armand,

NP, SP&S, D&H, SAL, ACL, SOU, RUT, L&N all still had double sheathed boxcars in 1950. Many did have steel ends, and were indeed built with steel ends in the teens and twenties. A sizeable number were 36 foot cars, too, in 1950.

Gregg Mahlkov

----- Original Message -----
From: "armand premo" <armprem@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Doble Sheathed Box Cars


With all the nice models of this car that are currently available,how
many were still around in 1950?Most were rebuilt before that date.Which
roads continued to have them on the roster in their original form? Armand
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Greg,B&M,CB&Q ?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Mahlkov" <mahlkov@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Double Sheathed Box Cars


Armand,

NP, SP&S, D&H, SAL, ACL, SOU, RUT, L&N all still had double sheathed
boxcars
in 1950. Many did have steel ends, and were indeed built with steel ends
in
the teens and twenties. A sizeable number were 36 foot cars, too, in 1950.

Gregg Mahlkov


----- Original Message -----
From: "armand premo" <armprem@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Doble Sheathed Box Cars


With all the nice models of this car that are currently available,how
many were still around in 1950?Most were rebuilt before that date.Which
roads continued to have them on the roster in their original form?
Armand
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Gregg Mahlkov <mahlkov@...>
 

Armand,

Don't recall seeing many double sheathed from those two roads offhand. A Lot of single sheathed, though, including the B&M with plate (non-corrugated) ends.

Gregg Mahlkov

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Mahlkov" <mahlkov@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Double Sheathed Box Cars


Armand,

NP, SP&S, D&H, SAL, ACL, SOU, RUT, L&N all still had double sheathed
boxcars
in 1950. Many did have steel ends, and were indeed built with steel ends
in
the teens and twenties. A sizeable number were 36 foot cars, too, in 1950.

Gregg Mahlkov


----- Original Message -----
From: "armand premo" <armprem@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Doble Sheathed Box Cars


With all the nice models of this car that are currently available,how
many were still around in 1950?Most were rebuilt before that date.Which
roads continued to have them on the roster in their original form?
Armand
Premo





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Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Gregg Mahlkov wrote:

Don't recall seeing many double sheathed from those two roads offhand. A Lot
of single sheathed, though, including the B&M with plate (non-corrugated)
ends.
Gregg,

In 1950, the B&M was in the process of retiring its USRA DS Boxcars in the #70000-70499 series because of the cost of retrofitting the #70000's K Brake System with AB's. The last #7000 was officially retired in March 1955.

Tim Gilbert


seaboard_1966
 

The Seaboard operated rebuilt double sheathed boxcars right up the merger with the ACL. Some of these remained in service into the 80's in work service.

Denis Blake

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Gregg Mahlkov wrote:

Don't recall seeing many double sheathed from those two roads offhand.
A Lot
of single sheathed, though, including the B&M with plate (non-corrugated)
ends.
Gregg,

In 1950, the B&M was in the process of retiring its USRA DS Boxcars in
the #70000-70499 series because of the cost of retrofitting the #70000's
K Brake System with AB's. The last #7000 was officially retired in March
1955.

Tim Gilbert





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Rupert and Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Armand

In May 1950, there was a total of 262 CB&Q double sheathed box cars as follows -

95000-106599 - 27 cars (classes XM-11/13/14 - bulk listing)
106600-107099 - 11 cars (classes XM-15/17/18 part - bulk listing)
110900-120499 - 28 cars (class XM-18 part)
120500-120999 - 113 cars (class XM-24)
121000-121299 - 83 cars (class XM-24)

Only the XM-24's were built with steel ends, the rest had them applied in the late 20's (although I can find no indication that the XM-16's received them)


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Mahlkov" <mahlkov@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Double Sheathed Box Cars


Armand,

NP, SP&S, D&H, SAL, ACL, SOU, RUT, L&N all still had double sheathed
boxcars
in 1950. Many did have steel ends, and were indeed built with steel ends
in
the teens and twenties. A sizeable number were 36 foot cars, too, in 1950.

Gregg Mahlkov


----- Original Message -----
From: "armand premo" <armprem@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Doble Sheathed Box Cars


With all the nice models of this car that are currently available,how
many were still around in 1950?Most were rebuilt before that date.Which
roads continued to have them on the roster in their original form?
Armand
Premo


Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Tim Gilbert wrote:

Gregg Mahlkov wrote:

Don't recall seeing many double sheathed from those two roads offhand.
A Lot
of single sheathed, though, including the B&M with plate (non-corrugated)
ends.
Gregg,

In 1950, the B&M was in the process of retiring its USRA DS Boxcars in
the #70000-70499 series because of the cost of retrofitting the #70000's
K Brake System with AB's. The last #7000 was officially retired in March
1955.
Tim:

Do you know how pervasive this rationale was? I have more than one photo of B&M USRA cars with AB brakes, which by itself is not a statistically significant data point, does mean that they upgraded some numbers of the cars with AB brakes.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Ted Culotta wrote:

Do you know how pervasive this rationale was? I have more than one
photo of B&M USRA cars with AB brakes, which by itself is not a
statistically significant data point, does mean that they upgraded some
numbers of the cars with AB brakes.
Ted,

I can only surmise that a "few" of B&M's USRA Boxcars were retrofitted in 1946-47 before the decision to retire them was made in 1948.

Tim Gilbert


Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Gregg,

At the WP and SN to your list. The WP still had around 1,000 of their 1917 Mt. Vernon cars in the early 1950s, and still in interchange service. Some ran into the 1960s. These originally had wooden ends, but were rebuilt with steel 1927-1930. The SN had 50, a mixed bag of steel end ex-WP cars and some of their own with original wooden ends. Sadly for railfans, the SN cars were restricted to the WP system, but happily many survived into the 1970s and a handful still exist in museums.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Gregg Mahlkov wrote:

Armand,

NP, SP&S, D&H, SAL, ACL, SOU, RUT, L&N all still had double sheathed boxcars in 1950. Many did have steel ends, and were indeed built with steel ends in the teens and twenties. A sizeable number were 36 foot cars, too, in 1950.

Gregg Mahlkov