That's what I like: Feeeeeelthy pictures!

It's actually hard to see that the photograph IS in color!

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography was developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

Great photo for another reason, too, which is that I'm weathering some cars just now, and can see
that I've been much too shy about dirtying them up.

SGL

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography was developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

This is documented in "The WIzard of Oz," in which leaving dull old B&W Depression Kansas changed to color upon reaching Oz. Not sure what that says about our subsequent life in color. <g>

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Actually, the date the world (apparently) went to color is around 1950. I lived on the LVRR from 1944-45 (ages 2-3) and my friend lived in the same village from 1947-50 (ages 5-7) and neither of us can remember the colors of anything there, so I am sure it was all in black and white.
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
> There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography
> was developed so late is that
> the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it
> didn't burst forth in full color
> for quite some time . . .



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On Nov 10, 2005, at 7:42 AM, Philip Lord wrote:

Actually, the date the world (apparently) went to color is around 1950. I lived on the LVRR from 1944-45 (ages 2-3) and my friend lived in the same village from 1947-50 (ages 5-7) and neither of us can remember the colors of anything there, so I am sure it was all in black and white.
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography
was developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it
didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

The world has always been in color.
The reason "Wizard of Oz" was in black and white is it was filmed in Kansas during the depression and we could not afford color. Only when she was in Oz was there color.
In fact today in north west corner of the state we have a section of land ( mile square) that is a state park and we have kept it in black and white to remind us how bad it was then.
We were so poor we had to hunt for food. We had a gun but no bullets so we used it as a club. But dad did not like to waste game and before we could club it we had to run along side of it and reach down and feel it to see if it was fat enough. Big grin.
In fact I was standing at the state line and admiring the beautiful color across the line when a freight train came across the line and I watched it change to black and white as it entered Kansas. All those steam era freight cars lost there color. Big grin 8>)
thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens
BTW I went to school with Dorothy

ljack70117@... wrote:

The world has always been in color.
The reason "Wizard of Oz" was in black and white is it was filmed in Kansas during the depression and we could not afford color. Only when she was in Oz was there color.
In fact today in north west corner of the state we have a section of land ( mile square) that is a state park and we have kept it in black and white to remind us how bad it was then.
We were so poor we had to hunt for food. We had a gun but no bullets so we used it as a club. But dad did not like to waste game and before we could club it we had to run along side of it and reach down and feel it to see if it was fat enough. Big grin.
In fact I was standing at the state line and admiring the beautiful color across the line when a freight train came across the line and I watched it change to black and white as it entered Kansas. All those steam era freight cars lost there color. Big grin 8>)

Larry,

I expect you to tell us next that when Kansas emerged from the depression and could afford color, you had a job painting the scenery, trains, etc. <VBG>

Regards, Spen Kellogg

On Nov 10, 2005, at 8:25 AM, Spen Kellogg wrote:

ljack70117@... wrote:

The world has always been in color.
The reason "Wizard of Oz" was in black and white is it was filmed in
Kansas during the depression and we could not afford color. Only when
she was in Oz was there color.
In fact today in north west corner of the state we have a section of
land ( mile square) that is a state park and we have kept it in black
and white to remind us how bad it was then.
We were so poor we had to hunt for food. We had a gun but no bullets
so we used it as a club. But dad did not like to waste game and
before we could club it we had to run along side of it and reach down
and feel it to see if it was fat enough. Big grin.
In fact I was standing at the state line and admiring the beautiful
color across the line when a freight train came across the line and I
watched it change to black and white as it entered Kansas. All those
steam era freight cars lost there color. Big grin 8>)

Larry,

I expect you to tell us next that when Kansas emerged from the
depression and could afford color, you had a job painting the scenery,
trains, etc. <VBG>

Regards, Spen Kellogg

No my brother did. I worked in the paint factory. <VBG>
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.

Guys;
This pretty much supports Richard's comments of last week, about freight
cars actually in the steam era being black from coal soot.

It also goes way over the level at which I weather most of my cars, and
to which I am constantly hearing comments about my cars being "too
dirty" or "too weathered". Or, "only the PRR looked like that",
accompanied by the derisive snort of superiority.

I guess I should rethink my recent lighter hand on that front!

Elden Gatwood

Gatwood, Elden wrote:

Guys;
This pretty much supports Richard's comments of last week, about freight
cars actually in the steam era being black from coal soot.

It also goes way over the level at which I weather most of my cars, and
to which I am constantly hearing comments about my cars being "too
dirty" or "too weathered". Or, "only the PRR looked like that",
accompanied by the derisive snort of superiority.

Elden,

Could a rainstorm drive the soot off the flat surfaces into the crevices of a car? If so, how long would it take before the soot returned to the flat surfaces? Richard's observations, I assume, are biased towards an arid climate. Can anybody compare the sootiness of PFE or SFRD reefers in New York Harbor with those of the FGEX?

Tim Gilbert

Schyler, All,

I imported the photo of "IC cars" mentioned (link
below) into my Adobe software and brightened it up and
enhanced the contrast. The cars jump out at you when
the color balance is adjusted. There appears to be two
IC 1-1/2 dr. cars in the background, but the B&O and
Erie cars are truly a study in weathering. I assume
the gondola is an IC car, but it's pretty smashed up
and the reporting marks aren't legible in the photo.
It appears in a line of revenue cars, suggesting it's
still in revenue service. Nice photo!

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:08:45 -0500
From: "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...>
Subject: RE: Grimey IC Yard Cars

That's what I like: Feeeeeelthy pictures!

It's actually hard to see that the photograph IS in
color!

There is a school of thought that says the reason
color photography was
developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this
shows that it
didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

Great photo for another reason, too, which is that I'm
weathering some
cars just now, and can see
that I've been much too shy about dirtying them up.

SGL

Actually, the date the world (apparently) went to color is around
1950. I lived on the LVRR from 1944-45 (ages 2-3) and my friend
lived in the same village from 1947-50 (ages 5-7) and neither of us
can remember the colors of anything there, so I am sure it was all
in black and white.
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography
was developed so late is that
the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it
didn't burst forth in full color
for quite some time . . .

ljack70117@...
Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens
BTW I went to school with Dorothy

The world has always been in color.

The reason "Wizard of Oz" was in black and white is it was filmed in
Kansas during the depression and we could not afford color. Only when
she was in Oz was there color.
In fact today in north west corner of the state we have a section of
land ( mile square) that is a state park and we have kept it in black
and white to remind us how bad it was then.
We were so poor we had to hunt for food. We had a gun but no bullets
so we used it as a club. But dad did not like to waste game and
before we could club it we had to run along side of it and reach down
and feel it to see if it was fat enough. Big grin.
In fact I was standing at the state line and admiring the beautiful
color across the line when a freight train came across the line and I
watched it change to black and white as it entered Kansas. All those
steam era freight cars lost there color. Big grin 8>)

Larry,
I expect you to tell us next that when Kansas emerged from the
depression and could afford color, you had a job painting the scenery,
trains, etc. <VBG>

Spen Kellogg

No my brother did. I worked in the paint factory. <VBG>
Larry Jackman

I remember a sequence in Watterson's Calvin and Hobbes where the father takes a similar position about the world changing from black and white to color at stated intervals.
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Schuyler,

In a message to this group a few years ago (I couldn't find it, but
why should this time be any different than all the other times I've
tried to search the archives?) someone mentions a module that was
brought to a show, done all in shades of grey, just like our b & w
photos of the time. Apparently it took a while before anyone figured
out what was "wrong" with it.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941 (all b & w although my layout will be in
wonderful living color)
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

That's what I like: Feeeeeelthy pictures!

It's actually hard to see that the photograph IS in color!

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography

was developed so late is that

the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it

didn't burst forth in full color

for quite some time . . .

Great photo for another reason, too, which is that I'm weathering

some cars just now, and can see

that I've been much too shy about dirtying them up.

SGL

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Fred Boucher
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Grimey IC Yard Cars

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Right Walt, I remember it well. I should. I wrote it!

SGL

Schuyler,

Ever since you wrote that I've thought that when I lose the last few
vestiges of sanity I'm going to try to duplicate, in b & w, the scene
from Tony's Southern Pacific Freight Cars Volume 1: Gondolas and Stock
Cars on page 73. It's the ballast pit at Black Butte in 1912 and it
just begs to be done, in b & w.

Walter M. Clark

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

Right Walt, I remember it well. I should. I wrote it!

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of wmcclark1980
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Grimey IC Yard Cars

Schuyler,

In a message to this group a few years ago (I couldn't find
it, but why should this time be any different than all the
other times I've tried to search the archives?) someone
mentions a module that was brought to a show, done all in
shades of grey, just like our b & w photos of the time.
Apparently it took a while before anyone figured out what was
"wrong" with it.

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941 (all b & w although my layout
will be in wonderful living color) Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:

That's what I like: Feeeeeelthy pictures!

It's actually hard to see that the photograph IS in color!

There is a school of thought that says the reason color photography

was developed so late is that

the world was in B&W until about 1930 or so, and this shows that it

didn't burst forth in full color

for quite some time . . .

Great photo for another reason, too, which is that I'm weathering

some cars just now, and can see

that I've been much too shy about dirtying them up.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@...

[mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf

Of Fred Boucher
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Grimey IC Yard Cars

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34787v.jpg

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I once painted an Athearn R-40-23 in shades of gray, and lettered it with Champ's PFE scheme with black and white heralds. The sides were too light to look like "orange" once it was finished. I never got around to collecting all-gray scenery materials to make a display base...
I showed the car to someone and he said, "Great, I can't seem to get any models done, and you're fooling around with THIS?"
Scott Pitzer
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