On Jan 15, 2006, at 7:57 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

Richard Hendrickson writes:

As an extreme example, I
have a 1950 photo of a UTL class V tank car that was still stenciled
"NEW 4 12."

Now I'm curious. If a tank car were to be repainted I assume from this that
it would retain the "NEW". Does that suggest that any paint shop would have
the stencil for "NEW"? And, if not, would such a shop...say Tuscon...just
put TUS [ or whatever the symbol is ] on the car without reweighing?

Shop symbols were applied only when the car was actually reweighed for some reason. Since it was seldom necessary to do so, the light weight stenciled on the car when new was re-applied when it was repainted, along with "NEW" and the date when it was built. Paint shops may not have had a stencil for "NEW" but they certainly had stencils for "N." "E," and "W."

Richard Hendrickson

Tuscon isn't a place, it's a color normally associated with the Pennsylvania
Railroad.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni
Duckingforcover, TN

Tony Thompson writes:

"Tuscon?" Where in the world is Tuscon?

It's about 500 miles from Fhenix. Whadaya expect from someone that's been in a coma for a week?

Mike Block

It's where they paint everything Tucson Red.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@s...>
wrote:

Mike Brock wrote:

Now I'm curious. If a tank car were to be repainted I assume

from this

that
it would retain the "NEW". Does that suggest that any paint shop

would

have
the stencil for "NEW"? And, if not, would such a shop...say

Tuscon...

"Tuscon?" Where in the world is Tuscon?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@s...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Mike Brock wrote:

Now I'm curious. If a tank car were to be repainted I assume from this that
it would retain the "NEW". Does that suggest that any paint shop would have
the stencil for "NEW"? And, if not, would such a shop...say Tuscon...

"Tuscon?" Where in the world is Tuscon?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Richard Hendrickson writes:

As an extreme example, I
have a 1950 photo of a UTL class V tank car that was still stenciled
"NEW 4 12."

Now I'm curious. If a tank car were to be repainted I assume from this that it would retain the "NEW". Does that suggest that any paint shop would have the stencil for "NEW"? And, if not, would such a shop...say Tuscon...just put TUS [ or whatever the symbol is ] on the car without reweighing?

I know, I know...I worked for NASA too long.<g>.

Mike Brock

On Jan 15, 2006, at 4:39 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

On Sun, January 15, 2006 5:58 pm, stefanelaine wrote:
>What was the max time allowable for reweighs for tank
> cars again?

Stefan,
No time limit on reweighs for tank cars.  It was quite possible to
see NEW
lettering 20-30 years after a tank car was built

I'll reinforce Bruce's point; since tank car shipments were billed by
gallonage, not by weight, the cars were not required to be reweighed.
Most tank cars were reweighed only when they got extensive general
repairs, K-to-AB brake conversions, arch bar trucks replaced with
ARA/AAR, etc. – and sometimes not even then. As an extreme example, I
have a 1950 photo of a UTL class V tank car that was still stenciled
"NEW 4 12."

Richard Hendrickson


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On Sun, January 15, 2006 5:58 pm, stefanelaine wrote:

What was the max time allowable for reweighs for tank
cars again?

Stefan,
No time limit on reweighs for tank cars. It was quite possible to see NEW
lettering 20-30 years after a tank car was built

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Stefan:
Page 15 of RPC Vol II, shows one of the Navy Gas & Supply cars. The caption
indicated that CTTX 8000-8508 were built in Jan 1931, and 8509-8510 were
built in May 1931. Since the photo is a builder photo I can't help with
reweigh abbreviations. Tank cars had to be reweighed every 30 months, I
think, I know reweigh time frames were covered on this list and a search of
the archives should turn up the definitive answer.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

I'm in the process of upgrading some IM kits for cars #8443 and 8447
(IM stock numbers) as supplied with extra tank bands (should be
four)and better underbody gear (RC to the rescue). My question is
about reweigh dates and stencils for these cars. Since IM goofed with
the prototype numbers on two band cars, I'd like to get better build
dates (should be earlier than 1-31) and later reweigh location (ie:
Denver ?)codes for these four band cars. Any help would be
appreciated. What was the max time allowable for reweighs for tank
cars again?
thanks in advance
Stefan Lerche'
Duncan, BC