I'm modeling 1958 and would like to model a USRA panel
side hopper.

I haven't been able find any photographic evidence
that any USRA (30'6"inside length) panel side cars
existed this late.

Can anyone confirm this is the case? or when the last
of these cars were in service?

Brett Whelan
Australia.

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--- In STMFC@..., Brett Whelan <brettwhelan@y...> wrote:

I'm modeling 1958 and would like to model a USRA panel
side hopper.

I haven't been able find any photographic evidence
that any USRA (30'6"inside length) panel side cars
existed this late.

Can anyone confirm this is the case? or when the last
of these cars were in service?

Brett,

The Wabash had one of the largest number of 30'-6"IL panel hopper
cars. There were 500 cars in the 34000-34499 series and 1000 cars in
the 35000-35999 series. In 1949, 1063 cars in both series were still
on the roster, but they disappeared very quickly in the next few
years. In 1952,the last two 35000's were scrapped and the 58 cars in
the 34000 series remaining at the beginning of 1953 were gone by late
summer.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

Try looking at SLSF, Rock Island, Wabash, Ann Arbor, NYC...
I know there were non-panel side USRA rebuilds in the 60's
but I'm not sure of the panel side cars. If you don't have
the ORER, Al Westerfield sells a 1959 edition on CD-ROM.

Tim O'Connor

Thankyou Chet & Tim,

I was going to model the Wabash 37093 and then I
worked out it is a 33' or 34' IL panel hopper!

So it looks like there were no USRA panel side hopper
left in service by '58.

Thanks again

Brett Whelan
Australia


Brett,

The Wabash had one of the largest number of 30'-6"IL
panel hopper
cars. There were 500 cars in the 34000-34499 series
and 1000 cars in
the 35000-35999 series. In 1949, 1063 cars in both
series were still
on the roster, but they disappeared very quickly in
the next few
years. In 1952,the last two 35000's were scrapped and
the 58 cars in
the 34000 series remaining at the beginning of 1953
were gone by late
summer.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:00:11 -0500
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: Re: USRA panel side hoppers in the late 50's


Try looking at SLSF, Rock Island, Wabash, Ann Arbor,
NYC...
I know there were non-panel side USRA rebuilds in the
60's
but I'm not sure of the panel side cars. If you don't
have
the ORER, Al Westerfield sells a 1959 edition on
CD-ROM.

Tim O'Connor

I'm modeling 1958 and would like to model a USRA

panel

side hopper.
I haven't been able find any photographic evidence
that any USRA (30'6"inside length) panel side cars
existed this late.
Can anyone confirm this is the case? or when the last
of these cars were in service?
Brett Whelan
Australia.

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Brett... I think people noted that would be true of Wabash and NYC,
but no one said anything about SLSF or Rock Island for two examples.
The SLSF rebuilt some panel-side cars for company sand service.

Panel sides were not the panacea (increased cubic cap) they were
thought to be, while some plain-sided USRA cars lasted beyond the
1950's e.g. Colorado & Southern, AC&Y, Peabody Coal, to name three.

Tim O'Connor

The NKP had some USRA-like twin hoppers (33'8" IL) that were converted to
panel hoppers, cars 32000-32149, Pressed Steel, 1923. They're on the 1950
ORER but off the 1962 (the only two years I have, sorry). The only two
photos I've been able to squirrel up of these cars are from 1938 and 1949.

Some of the NKP's true USRA twins did last to the late 1950s. I've got a
photo of NKP 99326 being shoved around by a 2-8-2 in Madison, IL (East St
Louis), in 1957. The car still has its Andrews trucks. None of these cars
ever received side panel extensions, however.

Ray Breyer

Brett Whelan asked:
"I'm modeling 1958 and would like to model a USRA panel side hopper.
I haven't been able find any photographic evidence that any USRA
(30' 6" inside length) panel side cars existed this late."

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Try looking at SLSF, Rock Island, Wabash, Ann Arbor, NYC... I know
there were non-panel side USRA rebuilds in the 60's but I'm not sure
of the panel side cars."

Wabash/Ann Arbor: Chet French covered the Wabash cars. The Ann
Arbor panel side cars, AA 30700-30724 were actually the 33 ft IL
panel side cars built new for the Wabash, accurately modeled in HO
using Stan Rydarowicz's conversion kit using a laser cut Athearn
carbody with resin blister panels. You can also use the Pikestuff
panels in a pinch, but they're not 100% accurate.

SL-SF: SL-SF 88000-89499 (originally 86000-89499), 803 cars
remaining in January 1959. Photo and diagram are from the pay side
of the RPI website:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Hoppers/Twins/HM-panel-
Frisco.jpg
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Hoppers/Twins/HM-panel-
SLSF-diagram.jpg

RI: RI 89895-89999, ex-SL-SF panel side rebuilds leased from US
Railway Equipment Co. in 1956, 104 cars remaining in January 1959.
Photo in November 1988 issue of Model RailroadING.

NYCS: NYC 850100-850167, Lot 640-H, rebuilt 1936. Terry Link's
website indicates cars lasted until 1958; no cars in January 1959
ORER.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-850126.jpg

NYC 850300-850399, Lot 645-H, rebuilt 1936, 34 cars remaining in
January 1959.

P&LE 37000-38418, Lot 651-H, rebuilt 1937, 1024 cars remaining in
January 1959.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-37314.jpg
Some cars rebuilt a second time without panel sides during the 1950s:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-37578.jpg

Thanks to Terry Link for sharing the NYCS information on his website!
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm

MP: MP 58000-58749 (common series with non-rebuilt cars),
USRA "clones", 117 panel side cars remaining in January 1959.

Retired by 1958: C&O, NYC 850210-850299 (Lot 641-H), NYC 850400-
850599 (Lot 646-H), NYC 850600-851180 (Lot 653-H), NYC 851200-851299
(Lot 655-H), P&LE 38500-39499 (Lot 665-H), NYC 850180-850189 (Lot
674-H), NH, WAB.

[The above information covers only USRA twins and "clones". It DOES
NOT cover pre-WWI 30 ft IL cars rebuilt with panel sides by CN, CV,
NYC, or PRR.]


Ben Hom

Ben,

Thank you very much, due to all the re-numbering of
these cars it was very difficult for me to follow them
through the ORER's

I own you a Beer or two if you ever make it down here.

Thanks again,

Brett Whelan
Australia.


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:45:39 -0000
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Subject: Re: USRA panel side hoppers in the late 50's

Brett Whelan asked:
"I'm modeling 1958 and would like to model a USRA
panel side hopper.
I haven't been able find any photographic evidence
that any USRA
(30' 6" inside length) panel side cars existed this
late."

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Try looking at SLSF, Rock Island, Wabash, Ann Arbor,
NYC... I know
there were non-panel side USRA rebuilds in the 60's
but I'm not sure
of the panel side cars."

Wabash/Ann Arbor: Chet French covered the Wabash cars.
The Ann
Arbor panel side cars, AA 30700-30724 were actually
the 33 ft IL
panel side cars built new for the Wabash, accurately
modeled in HO
using Stan Rydarowicz's conversion kit using a laser
cut Athearn
carbody with resin blister panels. You can also use
the Pikestuff
panels in a pinch, but they're not 100% accurate.

SL-SF: SL-SF 88000-89499 (originally 86000-89499), 803
cars
remaining in January 1959. Photo and diagram are from
the pay side
of the RPI website:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Hoppers/Twins/HM-panel-
Frisco.jpg
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Hoppers/Twins/HM-panel-
SLSF-diagram.jpg

RI: RI 89895-89999, ex-SL-SF panel side rebuilds
leased from US
Railway Equipment Co. in 1956, 104 cars remaining in
January 1959.
Photo in November 1988 issue of Model RailroadING.

NYCS: NYC 850100-850167, Lot 640-H, rebuilt 1936.
Terry Link's
website indicates cars lasted until 1958; no cars in
January 1959
ORER.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-850126.jpg

NYC 850300-850399, Lot 645-H, rebuilt 1936, 34 cars
remaining in
January 1959.

P&LE 37000-38418, Lot 651-H, rebuilt 1937, 1024 cars
remaining in
January 1959.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-37314.jpg
Some cars rebuilt a second time without panel sides
during the 1950s:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-37578.jpg

Thanks to Terry Link for sharing the NYCS information
on his website!
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm

MP: MP 58000-58749 (common series with non-rebuilt
cars),
USRA "clones", 117 panel side cars remaining in
January 1959.

Retired by 1958: C&O, NYC 850210-850299 (Lot 641-H),
NYC 850400-
850599 (Lot 646-H), NYC 850600-851180 (Lot 653-H), NYC
851200-851299
(Lot 655-H), P&LE 38500-39499 (Lot 665-H), NYC
850180-850189 (Lot
674-H), NH, WAB.

[The above information covers only USRA twins and
"clones". It DOES
NOT cover pre-WWI 30 ft IL cars rebuilt with panel
sides by CN, CV,
NYC, or PRR.]


Ben Hom





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