In a message dated 2/2/2006 4:30:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dstorzek@... writes:

Which is again overly wide. Look at the end view photos; the
truck is almost as wide as the car body, and looks like it is falling
off the axles, Sigh.



If you check the captions on the web site. It states the trucks are no
finished. Grabs and trucks need to be done. Then it will be ready to run for
production.

Rich Orr

List,

Word went out this morning that Red Caboose will release
a Southern Pacific stock car in HO. I checked their web
page and sure enough, here it is:

http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/e_catalog/catalog.cgi?&shop=redcaboose&language=eng&curr=0&session=43e25466543e2de7&cart_id=57486823x21566&page=new_product_pages/ho_stock.html

Nice to see another Espee-specific kit available...

Shawn Beckert

Shawn,

Nice for SP fans, but what class is it? Some classes are also correct for WP and UP.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Garth,

Haven't a clue. You'll have to talk to that guy that writes
SP freight car books...

Shawn Beckert

Looks to me like an S-40-8. If so, great; I need at least one for central
Illinois traffic.

Ray Breyer

I'm not sure of the class; for one thing RC didn't have pictures of
the underframe on the web site. But the ends are closed so that
rules out the S-40-8 and S-40-10 judging by pics in Tony's book.
I'm guessing it's S-40-4, 5 or 6 and those would be in common
with the UP. I don't know about IC.

It's very cool that Sunshine has announced the SP S-40-12 & 13
too. These cars fill a huge void for the average SP modeler of the
40's or 50's. (Westerfield has long offered SP stock cars but they
are not kits for the 'average' model train enthusiast.)

Tim O'Connor

Ray Breyer wrote:

Looks to me like an S-40-8. If so, great; I need at least one for central
Illinois traffic.

Look again at the end. The -8 end has slats, this one does not. I assume it is S-40-5, since there is a Cyc drawing available for that class, and it has solid ends like the model.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Tony and friends,

Oh, poop! Well, I can still use one for interchange traffic. I have photos of SP stock cars running on the SN.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Tony,

Now I can put the book that I bought to good use....
And i thought the series would only be good for the
beet cars...

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA

--- Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

Tony and friends,

Oh, poop! Well, I can still use one for interchange
traffic. I have
photos of SP stock cars running on the SN.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Ray Breyer wrote:

Looks to me like an S-40-8. If so, great; I need

at least one for

central
Illinois traffic.

Look again at the end. The -8 end has slats,

this one does not. I

assume it is S-40-5, since there is a Cyc drawing

available for that

class, and it has solid ends like the model.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,

Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705

www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,

thompson@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

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Looks like a new truck, too.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

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Ted Culotta wrote:

Looks like a new truck, too.

Looks like there maybe some other interesting parts [e.g. brake staff,
coupler-pin lift lever, and maybe others]. I hope Red Caboose will
offer the parts separately.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:

Looks like a new truck, too.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

... Which is again overly wide. Look at the end view photos; the
truck is almost as wide as the car body, and looks like it is falling
off the axles, Sigh.

Dennis Storzek

Dennis Storzek wrote:

... Which is again overly wide. Look at the end view photos; the
truck is almost as wide as the car body, and looks like it is falling
off the axles, Sigh.

I noticed that also.

I just recently looked at photos of a prototype truck and one of the
views illustrated how the journals are almost centered on the frame
casting so as much of the journal was behind the frame as in front of
it. Our too wide wheel treads on model trucks prevent modeling that
"look". On model trucks the back of the truck frames should be much
closer to the faces of the wheels than what appears to be the case for
these Red Caboose trucks.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis,Indiana

I am not positive, but it looks like the same truck used for the GS gons,
a Barber S-2. If that is the case, Branchline makes a nice replacement.

Tim O'Connor

On Feb 2, 2006, at 4:21 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

Ted Culotta wrote:

Looks like a new truck, too.

Looks like there maybe some other interesting parts [e.g. brake staff,
coupler-pin lift lever, and

Us exRR people call them "cut levers".

maybe others]. I hope Red Caboose will
offer the parts separately.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana

Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...

On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

Shawn,

Nice for SP fans, but what class is it? Some classes are also correct
for WP and UP.

Garth, the WP cars had three gaps between the slats at the tops of the
ends, but otherwise the ends were solid like the model. Should be a
relatively simple kit-bash.

Richard Hendrickson

Bob Witt wrote:

I just recently looked at photos of a prototype truck and one of the
views illustrated how the journals are almost centered on the frame
casting so as much of the journal was behind the frame as in front of
it. Our too wide wheel treads on model trucks prevent modeling that
"look". On model trucks the back of the truck frames should be much
closer to the faces of the wheels than what appears to be the case for
these Red Caboose trucks.

Exactly right description, Bob. But from what Bill McClung told me, I don't think this is the final truck for this kit. This class was delivered with Vulcan trucks (which I believe were T-section), and only late in life did many get U-section trucks. I always hesitate to call anything "T-section." The term of course only refers to the cross-section of the sideframe, but many modelers have an equally knee-jerk reaction to "T-section" as they do to "Bettendorf," and only think of one type of T-section truck: the diamond-pattern sideframe design offered by Bettendorf, ASF, and others. The Vulcans are quite different.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

On Feb 2, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

This class was
delivered with Vulcan trucks (which I believe were T-section), and
only
late in life did many get U-section trucks. I always hesitate to call
anything "T-section." The term of course only refers to the
cross-section of the sideframe, but many modelers have an equally
knee-jerk reaction to "T-section" as they do to "Bettendorf," and only
think of one type of T-section truck: the diamond-pattern sideframe
design offered by Bettendorf, ASF, and others. The Vulcans are quite
different.

All true with one minor correction: the Vulcan trucks on the SP stock
cars when delivered had U section top chords and T section bottom
chords. Trucks of that design were once modeled quite well in HO scale
by Ulrich; these were "sprung" trucks (though, of course, the springs
didn't actually work) with die cast metal bolsters and side frames.
Kadee's Vulcan trucks, on the other hand, have U section chords both
top and bottom. It's also worth noting that, in addition to Bettendorf
and Vulcan trucks, many Andrews trucks had either T section or
combination U and T section cast steel side frames.

Richard Hendrickson

Tony Thompson wrote

This class was delivered with Vulcan trucks (which I believe were
T-section), and only late in life did many get U-section trucks. I
always hesitate to call anything "T-section." The term of course
only refers to the cross-section of the sideframe

Interesting, now I understand why Vulcans were outlawed.

Tim O'Connor

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

All true with one minor correction: the Vulcan trucks on the SP stock
cars when delivered had U section top chords and T section bottom
chords. Trucks of that design were once modeled quite well in HO scale
by Ulrich; these were "sprung" trucks (though, of course, the springs
didn't actually work) with die cast metal bolsters and side frames.
Kadee's Vulcan trucks, on the other hand, have U section chords both
top and bottom. It's also worth noting that, in addition to Bettendorf
and Vulcan trucks, many Andrews trucks had either T section or
combination U and T section cast steel side frames.

All true with one minor correction. Many Andrews trucks had L-section bottom chords, as did a few of SP's early Vulcan trucks. For those interested in the technology, it might also be pertinent to mention that the U-section top chords of many early cast steel trucks were fairly shallow, distinctly shallower than what would be considered acceptable by, say, 1940.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history