General covered hopper questions (Was: Re: Frico PS2)
David Smith <dsmith@...>
Maybe it's just semantics, but it's not the Frisco itself that would betoggle quoted messageShow quoted text
doing the shipping - it would be some industry to whom the car happened
to get delivered, perhaps not even on the Frisco which begs the broader
Did covered hoppers, like boxcars, travel widely or did they stay closer
Also, were covered hoppers ever used on an LCL basis or were they
restricted to serving large industries?
The D&H shipped a lot of cement in covered hoppers from online plants,
but it's not clear if any would have ended up on the Chateauguay branch,
which (except for a mine and pig iron furnace) served primarily small
What wouldI have a Kadee Frisco PS2 (No. 84084, if that matters).the Frisco have been shipping inthese cars?
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
David Smith wrote:
Maybe it's just semantics, but it's not the Frisco itself that would beCompared to boxcars, covered hoppers were difficult to clean; hence, railroad-owned covered hoppers were usually returned to their point of origin empty while most empty boxcars were reloaded before they returned to home rails. Accordingly, railroad-owned covered hoppers were more tethered to their home road than boxcars.
That does not answer the question as to how far from point of origin they ranged. That depends upon the commodity carried. For a covered hopper in cement service, that range was limited because the cost of transportation, and thus, total cost of the product to the consumer, escalated the further away from their point of origin - cement being a low value commodity with widespread cement plants nation wide.
Grain hoppers might be a different story, but this would be a question for the Baby Boomers (1960's) Group. I suppose that covered hoppers could be wide ranging although less than boxcars because of the special tariffs & rules that related to grain movement.
Not LCL. I remember seeing in the 1970's covered hoppers full of cement being unloaded at the team track in Westport CT. The cement was pumped from the freight car to a dry cement truck of a contractor and immediately hauled away.
Any roads built in the area? The cement would be then augmented with a low cost aggregate.
On Behalf Of David Smith
Maybe it's just semantics, but it's not the Frisco itselfLike "Frico," that is something I noticed when I read my own note coming back to me. Last night,
for some reason, 11:30 seemed to be Very Late.
Chet French <cfrench@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...> wrote:
closerDid covered hoppers, like boxcars, travel widely or did they stay
hence,to home?Compared to boxcars, covered hoppers were difficult to clean;
railroad-owned covered hoppers were usually returned to their pointof
origin empty while most empty boxcars were reloaded before theyreturned
to home rails. Accordingly, railroad-owned covered hoppers weremore
tethered to their home road than boxcars.
That does not answer the question as to how far from point oforigin
they ranged. That depends upon the commodity carried. For a coveredof
transportation, and thus, total cost of the product to theconsumer,
escalated the further away from their point of origin - cementbeing a
low value commodity with widespread cement plants nation wide.<SNIP>
The IC, in the late 1950's, had 440 home road covered hoppers in a
pool to protect cement loading at four cement plants in Northern
Illinois on their Amboy District. Most of the loading went to
distribution silos in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas. Single car
loads went to Redi-Mix plants in Illinois and Wisconsin, and
occasionally multi cars shipments went to road or airport
construction projects. The longest trips for the cars was between
two and three hundred miles. The C&NW also served the Medusa plant
in Dixon and used their CH's for loading on their line. The Rock
Island served one of the three plants in the LaSalle/Oglesby area
using their own cars as did the MILW serving the Marquette Mill in
Oglesby. If the IC ran low on cars, or cement loading was heavy,
they would borrow cars from the CNW and MILW, especially if much of
the cement was being interchanged to the CNW at Dixon or the MILW at
Forreston. One year, beyond the time of this list, the IC borrowed
cars from the ATSF even though none of the cement was given to the