Intermountain USRA gondolas


Tim O'Connor
 

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote

Intermountain USRA Composite Drop Bottom Gondola
Yes - Numbers [IC] 126000-128649 when delivered, but they were apparently
all off the roster or rebuilt and renumbered by about the mid forties. I
haven't looked for their later history since they were still in use in my
modelling timeframe
According to a Mainline Modeler, Dec 1986 article they received steel
side sheathing in 1949. Many may have become log cars 1000-2199. (From
the 1953 ORER, these log cars almost exactly match the gondolas.) GM&O
had USRA gondolas too.

Note that the total in the 1940 ORER is much higher than 2,650! and the
cars have been renumbered (there is no 126000 series in 1940)

series 213000-214749 | 1940: 478
series 214750-218749 | -- total combined
series 90000- 90757 | -- 1940: 3979

And it's weird that the total includes two completely different
car series.

Tim O'


Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

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Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote

Intermountain USRA Composite Drop Bottom Gondola
Yes - Numbers [IC] 126000-128649 when delivered, but they were
apparently
all off the roster or rebuilt and renumbered by about the mid
forties. I
haven't looked for their later history since they were still in
use in my
modelling timeframe
According to a Mainline Modeler, Dec 1986 article they received
steel
side sheathing in 1949. Many may have become log cars 1000-2199.
(From
the 1953 ORER, these log cars almost exactly match the gondolas.)
GM&O
had USRA gondolas too.

Note that the total in the 1940 ORER is much higher than 2,650! and
the
cars have been renumbered (there is no 126000 series in 1940)

series 213000-214749 | 1940: 478
series 214750-218749 | -- total combined
series 90000- 90757 | -- 1940: 3979

And it's weird that the total includes two completely different
car series.


Tim O',

From a 1946 Illinois Central equipment book, the only gons listed old
enough to be USRA built (28 years), were the 94000-95492 series which
numbered 1471 cars. The next oldest group of composite gons were 23
years old. The cars show being numbered in the 107000-108499 series
in the Apr 1940 ORER. By 1950, only 54 cars remained. In 1953, the
IC began building/purchasing new steel GS type gons which were placed
in the 94000-95499 number series.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Tim O'Connor
 

Chet

The only problem is that 107000-108499 have 3'5" interior height --
i.e. they are "low sided" gondolas. I don't have any ORER's between
1940 and 1950, but the 1950 shows the 94000- series cars with the
same 3'5" interior height -- not like other USRA gons.

But you could be right that the 213000- series gons are later design.
I don't have any IC records or photos of any of these cars. I have a
1944 photo of GM&O 12333 but I can't look up the dimensions -- my
Westerfield 1940 ORER CD-ROM has no GM&O (???). What's that about?

Tim

From a 1946 Illinois Central equipment book, the only gons listed old
enough to be USRA built (28 years), were the 94000-95492 series which
numbered 1471 cars. The next oldest group of composite gons were 23
years old. The cars show being numbered in the 107000-108499 series
in the Apr 1940 ORER. By 1950, only 54 cars remained. In 1953, the
IC began building/purchasing new steel GS type gons which were placed
in the 94000-95499 number series.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Tim,

The equipment book noted that a conversion had been made to the cars
12 years prior to 1946. It did not state what had been done to the
cars, but I am assumimg that the sides had been cut down to 3'-5". I
do not have the information on the USRA composite gons handy, so I
don't recall what the inside height was. I noticed in the IC book
that in 1946 the railroad had 5892 composite solid bottom gons on the
roster, which included 2958 with inside height of 3'-5" or less.

Chet French
Dixon, IL






The only problem is that 107000-108499 have 3'5" interior height --
i.e. they are "low sided" gondolas. I don't have any ORER's between
1940 and 1950, but the 1950 shows the 94000- series cars with the
same 3'5" interior height -- not like other USRA gons.

But you could be right that the 213000- series gons are later
design.
I don't have any IC records or photos of any of these cars. I have a
1944 photo of GM&O 12333 but I can't look up the dimensions -- my
Westerfield 1940 ORER CD-ROM has no GM&O (???). What's that about?

Tim


From a 1946 Illinois Central equipment book, the only gons listed
old
enough to be USRA built (28 years), were the 94000-95492 series
which
numbered 1471 cars. The next oldest group of composite gons were
23
years old. The cars show being numbered in the 107000-108499
series
in the Apr 1940 ORER. By 1950, only 54 cars remained. In 1953,
the
IC began building/purchasing new steel GS type gons which were
placed
in the 94000-95499 number series.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Ray Breyer <rbreyer@...>
 

Tim,

Check the 1950 ORER for the IC's USRA composite gons:
98000-98986, 92 cars, 4'10" IH
1000-2199, 6000-6099, 1024 cars, 4'10" IH, log service

That's where the gons were going: they were being phased out of gon service
and being added to the pulpwood fleet.

If it will help, I've got a builder's photo of IC 126806, a USRA composite
gon.

And I've TWO of those GM&O 12333 USRA clone gon photos. The wreck sequence
included an end shot. Let me know if you want a copy. Those GM&O gons were
Alton clones; all 100 of the Alton's original USRA gons were off the roster
by 1940. I've also got a shot if an ITC B motor hauling another GM&O USRA
clone, 55673; looks like the GM&O just stuck these cars all over the
numbering scheme.

And BTW: there's no 1940 GM&O listing because the GM&O was formed in 1940,
and your ORER is before then. Check the GM&N and M&O, and later the Alton
listings.

Ray Breyer

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Chet

The only problem is that 107000-108499 have 3'5" interior height --
i.e. they are "low sided" gondolas. I don't have any ORER's between
1940 and 1950, but the 1950 shows the 94000- series cars with the
same 3'5" interior height -- not like other USRA gons.

But you could be right that the 213000- series gons are later design.
I don't have any IC records or photos of any of these cars. I have a
1944 photo of GM&O 12333 but I can't look up the dimensions -- my
Westerfield 1940 ORER CD-ROM has no GM&O (???). What's that about?

Tim


From a 1946 Illinois Central equipment book, the only gons listed old
enough to be USRA built (28 years), were the 94000-95492 series which
numbered 1471 cars. The next oldest group of composite gons were 23
years old. The cars show being numbered in the 107000-108499 series
in the Apr 1940 ORER. By 1950, only 54 cars remained. In 1953, the
IC began building/purchasing new steel GS type gons which were placed
in the 94000-95499 number series.

Chet French
Dixon, IL



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