Virginian H12 and H14 hoppers


Bill McCoy
 

Is there a good starting point available for the Virginian H12 2 bay
and H14 3 bay hoppers. These cars were seen all over the south and
probably midwest. Most were built at the Virginian's Princeton, WV
shops as late a 2/56 in the case of the H14A.

Bill McCoy
Jax


Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Bill McCoy wrote:

Is there a good starting point available for the Virginian H12 2 bay
and H14 3 bay hoppers. These cars were seen all over the south and
probably midwest. Most were built at the Virginian's Princeton, WV
shops as late a 2/56 in the case of the H14A.
Bill,

Hoppers of the VGN were subject to Car Service Rule C-411 which required that all empty VGN, C&O, N&W and L&N hoppers were returned to their owners after being unloaded. Because this Rule was simple, it was clearly understood and generally followed.

Therefore, their range extended to anywhere coal mined on the VGN was used. So the assumption is that, if there was a VGN hopper, it was either loaded with coal mined on the VGN, or returning back to the VGN empty. Such an assumption could not be made for any hopper owned by a road not subject to Rule C-411.

Tim Gilbert


Bill McCoy
 

Tim, Thanks for the information.

My primary question which I didn't make clear was from a HO modeling
perspective. What's a good starting point to model these cars?

Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...> wrote:

Bill McCoy wrote:

Is there a good starting point available for the Virginian H12 2
bay
and H14 3 bay hoppers. These cars were seen all over the south
and
probably midwest. Most were built at the Virginian's Princeton,
WV
shops as late a 2/56 in the case of the H14A.
Bill,

Hoppers of the VGN were subject to Car Service Rule C-411 which
required
that all empty VGN, C&O, N&W and L&N hoppers were returned to
their
owners after being unloaded. Because this Rule was simple, it was
clearly understood and generally followed.

Therefore, their range extended to anywhere coal mined on the VGN
was
used. So the assumption is that, if there was a VGN hopper, it was
either loaded with coal mined on the VGN, or returning back to the
VGN
empty. Such an assumption could not be made for any hopper owned
by a
road not subject to Rule C-411.

Tim Gilbert


rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Tim,
I have a photo (so do those who bought the Wheeler CD from me) of
an empty VGN hopper in Stewartville MN about to be loaded with iron
ore for shipment to Granite City IL
Rules are ment to be broken.
Clark Propst
PS No, I can't prove it.


Hoppers of the VGN were subject to Car Service Rule C-411 which
required
that all empty VGN, C&O, N&W and L&N hoppers were returned to
their
owners after being unloaded. Because this Rule was simple, it was
clearly understood and generally followed.

Therefore, their range extended to anywhere coal mined on the VGN
was
used. So the assumption is that, if there was a VGN hopper, it was
either loaded with coal mined on the VGN, or returning back to the
VGN
empty. Such an assumption could not be made for any hopper owned
by a
road not subject to Rule C-411.

Tim Gilbert


James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 


Is there a good starting point available for the Virginian H12 2 bay
and H14 3 bay hoppers.
The VGN H-12 was a continuation of the late-1930s H-8 and as such was basically the Unitcast ribside twin hopper that showed up in various '30s and '40s CBCs. Virginian was by far the largest user of the design (New Haven had a handful built by PSC and Wabash built some panel-side versions, but that was about it). The Athearn ribside twin is the place to start, as Irv kinda backed into the Unitcast design by putting new sides on the offset-side twin.

The H-14 is a whole different animal, basically a scratchbuilding job. It was unique to the Virginian (and N&W after the merger).

David Thompson